SpikedHumor.com » Panorama Of Childish Creationist Arguments

PsyK1ck : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1102 days 6 hours ago...

Fax fraud!?!?! they arrest for that now?!?! shoot I gotta go!

But seriously...this guy is wacked...

Neurosis Inc : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

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1102 days 5 hours ago...

Yeah, the fax laws are UNCONSTITUTIONAL & should be repealed! I hope he finds a nice husband in prison (if he's not married, then he can't have sex!)!

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Jasen1337 : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1102 days 5 hours ago...

spiked humor.. this is fucking dumb. 1/5

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2ndhandsmoker : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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1102 days 5 hours ago...

Wow, poor poster grammar, but good clip. What do you wanna bet this guys from texas? Shit, worse yet, my state, Tennessee...

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shadowfox9 : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1102 days 5 hours ago...

^^you would have to eat a shit load of seeds before that happened.

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Andre6969 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1102 days 5 hours ago...

See you dont really provide evidence against him. Think about it, catholics dont pay taxes on the property they own, why should he. Like ok i get it, he has a weird belief system, but its true. You're taxes pay for prisoners food, and shelter, education, and rehabilitation. I certainly dont think I should have to pay it. So he's just taking it one step further by not paying it. he has alot of neat religious theories as well, Like the idea the flood happened because the earth was surrounded by water like a bubble, called the mysner effect. Anyways, I dont beleive religion, I dont believe this guy, but at least he looks for answers and tries to go for what he believes, you should at least respect him.

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him_8913 : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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1102 days 4 hours ago...

While I'm trying not to generalize here, a certain minority of 'extremists' Christians like this man remind me a lot of the Muslim extremeists in the Middle East. This whole, saying or preaching something, then acting completely contradictory. The bible says "love thy neighbour', yet this lunatic, like he is stuck 50 years into the past continues to disrespect women. He shuns and mocks these "scientists" as he would readily put, just because they oppose or don't agree with HIS beliefs. And maybe I'm going mad but did this guy say "try to convert as many as you can" in this video!? Oh, what a world.

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Roland Deschain : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

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1102 days 4 hours ago...

^
The scary part this that no religious moderate (of any Christian denomination) ever came out and denounced him (and this guy was a huge media whore, so he wasn't just some unknown Bible thumper). I'm not saying that silence is assent, but it makes you wonder why reasonable moderate modern religious people don't take offense at this besmirching of their religion and call this guy out. Condemnation from the religious community would stop these types of creeps much quicker than any reasonable criticism from the secular community.

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Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1102 days 1 hour ago...

wonder how many of his moronic followers have poisoned themselves from the peach seeds.
While there are stupid people, there will always be someone around to convince them out of a dollar.
give it time, i am sure he will be caught taking crack with some gay prostitute. well we can hope.

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highlandimmortal : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1102 days 1 hour ago...

That is God fEaring man and he is in jail for TAX fraud, you fucking idiot. How can you post something to criticize Dr. Hovind when you are so damn ignorant that you cannot even spell the words that you are trying condescend him with?

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EyeDisco : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1101 days 23 hours ago...

god i saw this guy kent hovind argue he sucks

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 22 hours ago...

^ He does indeed. Plus when he debates a scientist he packs the theatre with fellow creationsit to support him so it "sounds" like he's winning.

On a side note, dragons are cool.

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laribo : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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1101 days 22 hours ago...

@Roland Deschain; you raise a very good point. I can only guess that denouncing him would almost lead to a pseudo-civil war between the fanatical christians in america (of which there seem to be many) and the moderates. Any opinions people?

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hle : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

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1101 days 21 hours ago...

How dare he calls himself a Doctor...What an asshole. Dragons?..really!? come on! just ignore him and don't give him any money...he will dissappear.

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carrosion : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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1101 days 21 hours ago...

wow this man IS the antichrist and the dumbist piece of shit

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darkreign : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

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1101 days 20 hours ago...

You should hear his seminars on why the earth is really flat, after all, the bible says so.

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Violetninja420 : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

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1101 days 20 hours ago...

Ive never heard of this man before, but now im filled with an over-whelming urge to knock his ass out.

And what in fucks name is the deal with religious assholes trying to get people to consume cyanide?! Cults are famous for doing it, theres a church in texas where patrons consume rattlesnake venom (which contains cyanide) and now this motherfucker wants to get people to eat peach pits and apple seeds and shit....

Ah, fuck, im letting his idiocy get to me and now im ranting...

Alls i really wanna say is that this guy should never be allowed, or expose his believes on any child oriented event. This kind of madness is almost too much for the semi-intelligent adult (im speaking of myself of course =p), let alone a small child.

Roland also makes a valid point as well, why doesnt the grand pooh-bahs of the catholic communities come out and call this guy on his bullshit?

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WaSSaBi06 : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 19 hours ago...

tax law is constitutional... theres is a direct amendment for it, i just don't remember which one... DON'T FALL FOR THOSE SCAMS WHERE LAWYERS SAY THAT THEY CAN GET YOU OUT OF PAYING YOUR TAXES!

on the other hand, this guy is an idiot... shrank Africa by 40% to make it fit... what at idiot...

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1101 days 19 hours ago...

Are you trying to say Dr. Dino is a liar ?

You must have not seen his giant human skeleton !

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Yume_Ryuu : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 19 hours ago...

Dumbass

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Enthasius : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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1101 days 18 hours ago...

People like this guy are the sorts who accept the archealogical evidence of finding tools and coins from times centuries past, old fashioned weapons or anything of that nature, and yet when a dinosaur fossil is found, and the very same evidence suggests it dates millions of years back, that evidence is immediatly "controversial" or "total bull".

Unfortunatly, with science slowly but surely uncovering more truths, where once it was the advancement of mankind as its only goal (making a more efficient engine might make someone a lot of money, but it still advances mankind), now religious groups oppose it, and with a good percentage of people being religious, any information is scrutinised and sometimes doesn't even see the light of day.

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TheFireDragon200 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 18 hours ago...

Unfortunately this guy just killed atleast a few dozen religious extremist people due to cyanide poisoning.

No, shit, strike that. FORTUNATELY.

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barfightlard : LVL 6: VP 1.5: said:

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1101 days 17 hours ago...

Suicidal Tendencies - "Send Me Your Money"

Lights, camera, silence on the set
Tape rolling, 3-2-1-action
Welcome to the church of Suicidal
We'll have a service and wonderful recital
But before we go on, there's something I must mention
An important message I must bring to your attention
I was in meditation and prayer last night
I was awakened by a shining bright light
Over head, a glorious spirit
He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
"Send me your money", that's what he said
He said to "Send me your money"
Now if you can only send a dollar or two
There aint a hell of alot I can do for you
But, if you want to see heaven's door
Make a check out for five hundred or more
"Send me your money", do you here what I'm saying?
"Send me your money"

Now give me some bass, um yea that's how he likes it
Now give me some silence, for all you sinners
Now give me some bass, yea that was funky
Now take them on home Brother Clark, send me your ...money
Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only god is the almighty dollar
He aint no prophet, he aint no healer
He's just a two bit goddamn money stealer
Send me your money
Send it, you got to send it
Send me your money
You hear what I'm saying?
Send it, send it
Send me your money
Now how much you give is your own choice
But to me it's the difference between a prosche and a Rolls
Royce
I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket
I want you to make it hurt!
We'll take cash, we'll take checks
We'll take credit cards, we'll take jewelry
We'll take your momma's dentures if they got gold in them
So whose gonna be the next king of the fakers
Whose gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?
See my momma, she didn't raise no fool
Cause you can't put a price on a miracle
Amen

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KatamariQueen : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1101 days 17 hours ago...

...was my great x213 grandfather a starfish? No, he was a retarded fish squirrel monkey.

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frogleg : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

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1101 days 17 hours ago...

"tax law is constitutional... theres is a direct amendment for it, i just don't remember which one... DON'T FALL FOR THOSE SCAMS WHERE LAWYERS SAY THAT THEY CAN GET YOU OUT OF PAYING YOUR TAXES!"

Tax law is constitutional? WHAT tax law? Show me the law! Show me the amendment! (no writing on up in wordpad doesn't count you know)

"See you dont really provide evidence against him."

I think theres plenty of evidence against him. It's called science.

"Like ok i get it, he has a weird belief system, but its true."

Yes that IS true :)

"You're taxes pay for prisoners food, and shelter, education, and rehabilitation. I certainly dont think I should have to pay it."

Well while I do believe taxes are okay if they are actually used for what they are SUPPOSED to be used for... wich in the case of US is a big sham. Go ask the Bilderberg group where your tax money is going.

"So he's just taking it one step further by not paying it."

Good for him then. Just dont come whining over here if some criminal escapes the unguarded prisons because they were starving... and bashes someones head in. Or maybe we should just shoot all criminals right away?

"he has alot of neat religious theories as well, Like the idea the flood happened because the earth was surrounded by water like a bubble, called the mysner effect."

Funny how I havent heard of this excellent theory from any scientists.

"Anyways, I dont beleive religion, I dont believe this guy, but at least he looks for answers and tries to go for what he believes, you should at least respect him.""

Right. Because looking for answers is such a hard thing to do. And doing wha t you believe in.. oh my god, how does he do it?!!?!

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BleedForTheWorld : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

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1101 days 16 hours ago...

wow I'm Baptist Christian and found this offensive, highly. it's a clear representation that people, not *religion*, can be dangerous benefactors in the world, for what does it mean to believe? well, as my pastor has told me before and tells all of us almost constantly: "Don't fight with other people over your religion and don't defend your Bible; it defends itself. If someone disapproves about your statements and your beliefs, pray for them the best in their path of life, and leave them be, for who are we, the children of God, to judge others?". and indeed my entire group of friends and I don't listen to what these extreme believers because they are what they indeed are - dangerous, vile, and sickening.

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1101 days 16 hours ago...

BleedForTheWorld --->

Depends on what you value more :

1. A person can make his own mistakes , it is his life . And my life is my life . God knows which of us is right .

2. A person is mistaken and for the love of God it is my duty to put him on the right track and show him the mistakes of his ways , so he would accept our Lord and Saviour and save his soul .

First option may lead to sin , haggling with Jesus , complete loss of faith or transformation of religion (heresy at it's finest) .
Second option may lead to very nasty results , like oppression , crusades , inquisition , jihad .

At any given situation you choose . You might forbid you son/daughter to be a lesbian/gay , or not . You might defend your faith or might think , that God can defend himself .

P.S. : Your pastor is the rare breed of them , teaching people to not be the ones to make a choice between bad and worse .

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Phil Phallus : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1101 days 15 hours ago...

Roland Deschain wrote:

"The scary part this that no religious moderate (of any Christian denomination) ever came out and denounced him (and this guy was a huge media whore, so he wasn't just some unknown Bible thumper). I'm not saying that silence is assent, but it makes you wonder why reasonable moderate modern religious people don't take offense at this besmirching of their religion and call this guy out. Condemnation from the religious community would stop these types of creeps much quicker than any reasonable criticism from the secular community."

True. I've also never heard of a case where moderate Americans have come out in public to take a stance against imperialism and apologize for their country's actions. So think about that everytime the world bitches at moderate Muslims to speak out against "terrorism".

The lesson to be learned is that you should never expect one individual to apologize for what another individual did/said, just because they have the same religion or skin-color.

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Dimmukane : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

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1101 days 15 hours ago...

yeah, it takes 750,000 peaches to build up enough cyanide to kill you, or so my chemistry teacher once said. the sick thing is, he came to Virginia Tech, and people came out of his lecture believing him.

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rustyshackleford : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

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1101 days 14 hours ago...

lol, ridiculous.

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BleedForTheWorld : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

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1101 days 14 hours ago...

@ LithuanianLabourer - I used to have a satanist friend. We used to have a lot in common, vs martial arts, hobbies, philosophies, and favorite past times. She envied me greatly over what I had with her best friend [her best friend and I loved each other greatly]. Day after day she would make be negative about life and etc. It was difficult for us to go on because even though we could have completely disengaged all comm. with her, she was still our friend. We broke up last year, around this month, and in the month of Feb. this year, I IMed her back with a totally new SN, not knowing who I was. She said she missed me greatly because I had been a great friend and that my beliefs had finally made sense into her, but it was too late for her friend and I. Sadly, the 3 of us have moved on completely now. Christ has led me to believe that this is what I had to come to accept. My own sins and errors were mine, but in the end, we are all to blame, because we all wanted what was best for ourselves right? It's a selfish world and I was one of them. If any of you knew me as my friends do, you would all know that this "religion" works for us, because we have come to terms, have been judged, and have even been shunned by people that have promised us that they will always love us. And yes Lith, my Pastor Caleb may very well be a rare breed, and in being a Christian myself, I have come to dedicating my life in preserving the innocence of every 17-18-20 yr. old out there; to laugh at the simple things, and to smile at someone who frowns at you in return. Ha! Everyone should know that. In the end, the decision is ours and ours to keep, but never forgetting, who we once were in a past life, drifting swiftly by our sides.

P.S. ~ I drive a car....that most would only *dream* of having. Thanks to science and the belief in the so called American Dream, I own this car. But no matter, it's just a car, and God is all I have to ultimately thank to, along with my family and closest friends of course ~ Happy Thanksgiving

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Phil Phallus : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1101 days 13 hours ago...

As for the guy on the video:

1) He is completely right in refusing to pay an income tax, if that's what he's getting at. I have no idea what his reasoning is (since the video edited that out), but income tax is not constitutional in the US. There is no law that requires Americans to pay an income tax, and if you pay it it goes straight to the bankers/mafia/NewWorldOrder/FreeMasons (call them what you want).

2) If there in fact was a plan to reduce world population, I wouldn't be the least surprised. We're just cattle to certain people, and that's nothing new. Just saying that, isn't necessarily stupid, but once again I don't know his reasoning cause the video don't bother to present it.

3) Playing clips of him selling stuff doesn't say anything as to whether he's sincere or not. I've seen plenty of activist film-makers who sells their films on their website etc, while at the same time encouraging people to share it with others. And that seems like it's what this guy's doing. If you believe you're fighting for a cause, it would be stupid not to generate an income to expand your work. Besides, you have to live to. I hate that attitude that just because someone's an activist of some sort, they have to give everything away for free.

4) What he's saying about money and leaders is true, and so are his Hitler quotes. His own religion is a perfect example of how more people believe a big lie.

5) His presentation of evolution is not directly wrong. He just doesn't repeat "great great great great great" for a long enough time. Sure his only argument is refusal to accept that people are animals, but in that he's no different than other followers of organized religions.

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Phil Phallus : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1101 days 13 hours ago...

6) He didn't tell anyone to consume large amounts of apricot seeds. He just pointed to something in the Bible about apricots seeds being healthy. It's not proven, but scientists have been exploring the same thing. Just because something might be good for you, doesn't mean you should consume large amounts of it. Same goes for all vitamins, more or less. I have a hard time believing that vit. B17 is so bad for you, since it's not even fat-soluble. It'll get flushed out pretty soon, and you'd have to consume many seeds in a short time to get poisoned. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

7) I don't see how he presented any "the majority is always right" - arguments. That chart about what Americans believe could just as well be some "good news" for the people there (allthough I personally find it fucking HORRIFYING). Once again, the reasoning behind what edited out. But I didn't see him use the chart as an argument for anything.

8) What was so bad about what he said about women? Isn't it true that women on an average spend more time in the mall and spend more time sucking cock than what men do on an average? I would believe that to be 100% true. No reason to go into any kind of alpha male "protect the females" - mode over that.

9) It's more important than ever that the American population is armed. No arms - policies is for countries that are run by democracy and thus have the police to protect the population. When people have no legal rights, when the regime is corrupt to the core, and when the police behave in a brutal fashion towards the population (look at recent taser-incidents and the state of your prison-industry, for instance), it's necessary for the population to remain armed.

10) That disclaimer in the end had me laughing.

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ParticleMan420 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 13 hours ago...

the fact that he spouts this shit doesnt bother me as much as the retarted sheep that PAY to hear him spout his shit.

THEY are the scarey part.

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Solace : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1101 days 12 hours ago...

I kinda like his theory, but it got shot to shit several times by actual scientists... Taking apart this guys theories should become a competition.. Enough material to work with..^^

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Fibre Optix : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1101 days 12 hours ago...

What a Jackass. I've heard of this guy before, all I needed to read was the world is 6000 yrs old, Because the bible said so.

I turned the page.

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mortar78 : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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1101 days 11 hours ago...

Is this guy for real...Please tell me that was all just some parody!!!

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frade : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 10 hours ago...

Creationists are the most ignorant people wow!

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 10 hours ago...

My favorite site for debunking young earth creationists , like "Dr. Dino" Kent Hovind, is Talk Origins.

If anyone is up for some reading they have a section dedicated to debunking pretty much every claim Hovind has made regarding evolution and creationism.

Its a fun read: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html

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paperman : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

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1101 days 9 hours ago...

this is sad... i have some friends who really believe him. wonder what they going to say when they found out that he got sent to jail for fraud.

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otester : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

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1101 days 8 hours ago...

I don't care what he does in his personal life, IRS bollox etc.

Most of the things he says are very true imo.

TBH he does seema bit wack, but hey Jackson's done some good music yet people still like his music and think he's a wack?

Also those saying he makes loads of money etc. out of this.

You DON'T have to buy his videos, they available free on his website and probably other sources. Same goes with Alex Jones.

Why all the personal attacks?

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creamy_napalm : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1101 days 8 hours ago...

Kent Hovind rocks! If the video wasn't edited you'd be able to understand what he's saying and where he's coming from. Btw, wtf is this video doing on Spiked Humor? Last I checked, this site wasn't for pushing your ideas and views.

Tell you what Roland: anytime you find yourself in Oregon, just drop me a line.

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Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

I am pretty sure the bible in no way indicates the planet is 6000 years old, neither does it state the earth is infact flat, I do recall it saying somthing about god residing above the circle of the earth which hangs on nothing.... somthing like that. wonder if he has actullay read the book he claims to base his information.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

I'm not even going to bother anymore...

p.s. people believe the same shit in school, except instead of religion it would be believing we evolved from a monkey. I'd rather believe in a God than believe we were once sticking our fingers up our asses and falling out of trees.

And why is it always the same people posting this garbage on this site? What are you trying to prove?

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

creamy_napalm --->

^ Kent Hovind does not rock and never will for the simple reason that rock music is something evil and satanic for him . Saw his video , it consists of :

1. Bullshit drawn from 20 - 100 years old theories combined with his flawed education and continuous failure to self educate or admit own mistakes.
2. Strangest hypothesis based on solid proof of "well it could have been so , just imagine it".
3. Trashing some evolution points he imagines evolution has , because he does not know what evolution is (he fails to show he has any understanding of evolution be it in biology or geology).
4. Telling his parish , who apparently are "the real" sheep .
5. Threats of Gods retribution by the end as a part of the package .

Frankly I would enjoy his videos as very entertaining and very amusing , but his retarded jokes combined with lecturing voice of a teacher telling some knowledge to pis pupils just ruins it for me complitely . Instead of amusing comedian he turns into cheeky and ignorant uneducated retard , which , combined with his annoying voice kills the whole comedy show .

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

Wasn't the theory of Evolution 20-100 years old? the FUCK are you on about?

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

ThatsLife ---->

You have never seen a monkey . I've seen a chimp and played with it . It's like a human , but dumber . When it is with humans it is trying to copy them and act like them . If human child becomes a part of a pack of monkeys , it grows up to be a monkey .

"The transmutation of species was accepted by many scientists before 1859, but Charles Darwin's On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection provided the first convincing exposition of a mechanism by which evolutionary change could occur: natural selection. "

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Roland Deschain : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

@creamy_napalm:

Hopefully you aren't talking about censoring Spiked Humor just because YOU disagree with the ideas/views of a video. This site has an excellent community based filter that keep bad videos from making it to the front page (and this video passed the grade by a fair margin). Spiked Humor would soon die out if all videos were neutral and balanced as you seem to suggest.

(Or are you just saying that all videos should be pay proper respect to all religious views, no matter how laughably ridiculous their claims are: like the fact that the evil scientists had to shrink Africa to justify plate tectonics).

If you agree with Kent Hovind, then most likely you are a fundamentalist creationist. I have no desire to meet you. There are very few people I have less respect for in this world. To believe that the Earth is 6000 years old is to approach the level of ignorance and nescience of believing that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

Thatslife,

Give it up. No one is claiming that we evolved from a monkey except you and Dr. Dino.

What LL was saying about old science is true. Hovind takes his "facts" from old creationst "theories" that have been disproved decades ago.. he just fails to tell you that.
Furthermore, when he tries to disprove evolution it is by bringing up old theories that have also been fixed or discarded. He is either failing to research properly.. or more likely, just spreading misinformation.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

Okay...I guess the same arguments could go for a parrot aswell, correct? I mean, they can copy what we say. Is this not a valid argument?

And Charles Darwin even said HIMSELF that no change in one species to another has ever been recorded, and he adds that we can never record the transformation from one species to another. Ever. So what's the proof that evolution is 100% factual? A few mislead findings and a dead mans theory...ooooh.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

LeighCedar, maybe you've been out of school for too long...but they teach exactly what he's disproving in all of his videos. They teach in SCHOOL that we evolved from monkey's. They teach us in school everything that you guys say they aren't...so I don't know where you got your education from but in my country, which has an exquisite reputation for herding in Americans and Brits.

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

^ Dude.. seriously... go back to all the other threads where you have posted on this... where Roland, and Lith and D! and I give you these answers. You haven't added anything new, or disproven anything.

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Roland Deschain : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

ThatsLife
Not exatly, ThatsLife. It's more like one dead mans theory and 185,000 scientific articles (in the last 75 years) that support and enhance the simple fact of evolution originally succinctly proposed by Darwin. It's quite funny how creationists focus on Darwin in a desperate attempt to blind themselves to the overwhelming amount of evidence that came after Darwin.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

^ read my above post.

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 6 hours ago...

Well whereever your school was sucks. They should have taught you that we evolved from a great Ape ancestor, and that the Money line broke off much earlier.
We are closer to Chimps than a chimp is to a monkey.

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ThatsLife --->

You are killing me when you are sporting that phrase . Charles Darwin has said it himself and he was right .

"By comparing the anatomies of both modern and extinct species, paleontologists can infer the lineages of those species. Important fossil evidence includes the connection of distinct classes of organisms by so-called "transitional" species, such as the Archaeopteryx, which provided early evidence for intermediate species between dinosaurs and birds, and the recently-discovered Tiktaalik, which clarifies the development from fish to animals with four limbs."

"At present, the most primitive (known) feathered dinosaur is Sinosauropteryx (Jurassic/Cretaceous, 150-120 mya), whose body was covered with feather-like structures that look like hollow tubes, or hairs. They may or may not have had barbs, like downy (plumulaceous) feathers. Another early fossil, Dilong paradoxus (Early Cretaceous), an ancestor of Tyrannosaurus rex, also had similar feather structures. These early fossils suggest that feathers originally developed as insulators, to maintain body temperatures (thus also providing evidence for warm-blooded dinosaurs). Flight would have been a later evolutionary adaptation (or exaptation) of feathers."

"Neutral human DNA sequences are approximately 1.2% divergent (based on substitutions) from those of their nearest genetic relative, the chimpanzee, 1.6% from gorillas, and 6.6% from baboons. Genetic sequence evidence thus allows inference and quantification of genetic relatedness between humans and other apes."

"Evidence for common descent is inferred from traits shared between all living organisms. In Darwin's day, the evidence of shared traits was based solely on visible observation of morphologic similarities, such as the fact that all birds, even those which do not fly, have wings. Today, there is strong evidence from genetics that all organisms have a common ancestor. For example, every living cell makes use of nucleic acids as its genetic material, and uses the same twenty amino acids as the building blocks for proteins. All organisms use the same genetic code (with some extremely rare and minor deviations) to translate nucleic acid sequences into proteins."

Tiktaalik :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Fishapods.jpg
Archeo
pterix :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/SArchaeopteryxBerlin2.jpg

What do you consider as evidence ?

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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Yes, I'm desperately making an attempt to blind myself by using the creator of the evolution theory in my argument. Good game.

Anyways, I'm going to continue to believe what I'm taught in school (taught your little evolution theory and what not) and continue to believe my beliefs to the way I want to believe them.

Have a wonderful day.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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I actually watched a video, (NOT by Dr. Hovind...I admit her over uses the same jokes and isn't funny most of the time, if at all) but the video I watched actually analyzed basically what you JUST said...I'll try and find it.

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1101 days 1 hour ago...

^ Just remember Thatslife,
That link I posted above debunks basically everything Hovind has ever asserted.

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1101 days ago...

I am surprised creationists have the intelligence to use the internet, or maybe the internet just got dumber.

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morrow23 : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1100 days 21 hours ago...

How does a sexist idiot argue religion??

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1100 days 21 hours ago...

What an asshole ¬_¬

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1100 days 20 hours ago...

ooh, whoever put these clips together and added the text is super clever. A real internet gangster.

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1100 days 18 hours ago...

Stupidity at its finest.

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1100 days 16 hours ago...

$250,000 dollars? Evolution has been proven for awhile now...

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1100 days 15 hours ago...

I've nere heard of this guy - but it certainly illustrates the stupidity of creationists.

It's easy to prove evolouion, it has been witnessed so may times (Take the common cold, for example... it evolves so that our current defences are useless. Ever had a 'Superbug'? Same principle, immune to antibiotics.)

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1100 days 15 hours ago...

haha OMG this guy should become a comedian

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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1100 days 14 hours ago...

^^^

He IS a comedian. The sad part is, a HUGE proportion of americans actually believe this garbage. It's like they are mentally little kids- too scared to learn facts, and instead hang onto their infantile beliefs like teddy bears or security blankets. And, not surprisingly, guess who they teend to vote for? That's right, strong daddy figures who will make them feel safe from the scary tara-ists.

Seriously- this guy argues that dinosurs were not distinct species, but instead REALLY BIG LIZARDS, because there was more oxygen back then, and so lizards grew to the size of dinosaurs. He also states that gravity does not exist, using the brilliant example of a merry go round on a school playground. If you spin it really fast, he argues, people would just fly off, and that's what would happen to us, if it weren't that objects stick to the earth because of "Gawd power."

He's been called out on his $250,000 reward dozens of times, but then he always changes his story. He uses non-scientific terms that have no meaning, like "kinds" (i.e., "show me an example of one kind transforming into another") and then won't define what a "kind" is (since this is a biblical term, not a scientific one). When scientists have shown this (i.e., whales with legs, then smaller legs, then much smaller legs, then no legs, only vestigal leg bones), he says that's not a "kind" transforming, so sorry, you don't win.

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tazboy : LVL 6: VP 1.5: said:

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"You should hear his seminars on why the earth is really flat, after all, the bible says so."

Actually the bible says to contrary and so does he. So now that you've stated this everyone will think that is truly what he believes. Which it's not but whatever, right.

And relax about the cyanide thing. The whole video on the cyanide thing isn't even on this video so we can't even really discuss it like it should be dicussed. Plus, if I told you to not eat but to smoke cyanide you would probably think I was crazy, yet millions of people in the world do that with cigarettes. Hmm.

"Funny how I havent heard of this excellent theory from any scientists."
Actually there are thousands of scientists that believe certain things contrary to what you believe but you do not hear them either. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

One thing, for example, that has been discovered but you've probably never heard of it because it goes against majority belief is the discovery of dinosaur tissue. According to scientists, tissue should go bye-bye after a thousand years or so. Seems like it goes away faster than that for humans. So the question is, how can dinosaurs be millions of years old and still have tissue? Take a look: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

From the video:
"An opinion does not require intelligent thought. Do not confuse it with a fact."
Yet that is exactly what we do to children by teaching the evolution. It is a theory, not a fact. Yet we teach it as such and that is what they get out of it. Plus, it's in their standardized tests so they are even more likely to treat it as fact.

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so heres the deal... I'm a Biology/Philosophy double major and I have expossure to both sides of the argument.
First off, this guy is wrong and sould be put in the an asylum. But, the creationism argument itself is not as invalid as most people think. They way guys like this nut-job put it, obviously its wrong. However, one thing to keep in mind is that evolution is not a complete theory. For example, there is reasonable doubt on how evolution can discribe the appearance of the very first functional cell. The thing is that once that first cell exist, evolution is the most logical and plausible course of events. BUT, the theory hits a brick wall when confronted with how that very first cell came to be, and more importantly how it came to be alive, ie how it began to function as a cell.
Furthermore, the creationism argument, in light of theism, goes far beyond the creation of life. The creation of the universe is also a question that can be addressed through creationism, even if you believe in the Big Bang theory because even big bang requires something to have existed prior to the universe, ie the super-condenced particle that initiated the explosion.
Nonetheless, all creationism arguments can be denied with one simple move. They all rely on one philosophical principle, The Principle of Suffient Reason, which states that there must be a cause for every effect and all that was created must have been created by something other than itself. Creationism uses this principe and adds further that God is the only being that could exist without a cause (the debate over this is ongoing). Given that, God is the only way anything can really exist... unless you reject the principle of suffient reason and say that existance is a brute fact and has nothing to do with cause and effect...

well, thats my rant... take as you will

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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The bible on flat earth:

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth” (Revelation 7:1). “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth” (Isaiah 11:12).

Ever heard of a sphere with 4 corners?

“And the devil taking [Jesus] up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time” (Luke 4:5; see also Matthew 4:8). “The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth” (Daniel 4:11).

So how could you possibly see all areas of a shere from one point, no matter how high it is? Oh, that's right- you can't.

"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do” (Genesis 11:4-6).

So here gawd messes with the people because they built a tower that almost reaced up to his hidey hole up in the sky, which is, after all, directly UP, apparently (rather than realizing that the earth spins on its axis and rotates around the sun, and therefore "up" is quite reliative).

And btw, those of you who don't understand the 6000 years thing, check out this crap. http://www.independencebaptist.org/6,000%20Year%20Old%20Earth/6,000_year_ol
d_earth.htm#Proof%20of%206,000%20Year%20Old%20Earth

And to 5th_Horseman666, just because the theory of evolution doesn't explain everything in the world doesn't mean that creationism has credence. Why are you accepting the premise, "If evolution is not perfect, then go to creationism"? That's pretty silly. We don't fully understand how cancer works, but that doesn't mean we should give the idea that spirits create cancer any serious thought. The "uncaused cause" argument is about s dumb a thing I can imagine. It goes something like, "A) nothing can come into existence by itself. B) Therefore, a being mut hav ecome into existence by itself to create everything else." I can't think of another "argument" that so clearly contradicts itself in such simple terms that intelligent people talk about.

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to D!:

you clearly missed my point. I am a biologist, the theory of evolution is my equivalent of the bible, so to speak. I never said that it doesnt work or is not perfect, I said it has limits, just like every theory ever proposed by science.
Furthermore, I did not say that anyone should blindly accept creationism. I merely suggested a deeper aspect of that side of the debate, a side that has reasonable grounds from a philosophical point of view. I merely attempt to give greater depth to the debate, a debate that is worthy of attention. I'm trying to point out that while people who take the Bible at face value are very probably mistaken, there is something to be had in that line of thinking on a deeper level.

The arguments for ultimate creation, stemming from Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR), are credible and worthy, at the very least, of proper consideration. Just because you cant imagine it doesnt make it false. You, no doubt, cant imagine gravity and yet its there... Your imagination is not the standard of acceptable things. Now, I personally am not in favor of those arguments as I have my doubts about the Principle of Sufficient Reason, but I do not flatly deny it since I dont have a way to disprove it resonably.

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_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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LMAO that was amazingly hilarious. whoever is dumb enough to actually go to his lectures should know better. sure you may fall for some of his misinformative crap if you aren't thinking clearly, but there is NO WAY dinosaurs lived with adam and eve. one should immediately stop listening when he said "i do believe in fire-breathing dragons" because that is just plain stupid. he's a moron....fire-breathing dragons lol.

and i cannot believe how many americans believe that the planet is only 6000 years old. or 10000. i forget what the survey stated. i have yet to see any stats from other countries, but i'm sure the majority of the world really is stupid enough to believe that the planet was created so recently as 6000/10000 years ago. it saddens me that so many people believe that garbage.

P.S. i loved how he quoted Hitler TWICE and i loved the Simpsons clips hahahah that was a great episode

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^^ I don't think I missed your point- I simply don't see how a hole in the theory of evolution leads to the consideration of creationist gibberish as as "not as invalid as most people think."

If they actually did accept the Principle of Sufficient Reason then they would not believe in gawd. If they don't accept it, then they don't even have a semantic leg to stand on. I just get tired of people basically making the argument "If we don't understand something fully with theory X , then theory Y has credence." This wouldn't be horribly ridiculous if theory Y had a decent amount of explanatory power, or could even be truly considered a scientific theory. In this case, theory y, creationism, has no merit scientifically, and so IS "as invalid as most people think," probably moreso.

There simply is no other place in science where this sort of idiocy is even discussed, since it is antithetical to the scientific method. We don't say "I can't fullly explain phenomenon A in (physics, or geology, or psychology, or biology, etc.), and so THEREFORE perhaps a SPIRIT is responsible for it. Let's give that "theory" a closer look."

To do so would be quite silly, as I'm sure you would probably recognize in any other sphere. Yet, for some reason, many people become "cozy" with creationism in this regard, which I've never fully understood. If I can't explain why a certain rock formation is found in an area, as a geologist, I don't revert to the idea that Odin created it as potentially viable.

In terms of my "imagination" as a standard of evidence, I truly have no idea what you are talking about. I made no such claim, and implied nothing of the sort. Furthermore, I can imagine gravity. I'm squinting my eyes while I type this and imagining it right now. Anyway, I'm not endorsing or denying that principle of sufficient reason- just saying that it can't possibly be used in creationist argument, since the very explanatory mecahnism that is seminal to it (gawd) contradicts it. You don't have to "disprove it resonably" if the alternative theory contradicts it right out of the gate but then tries to uphold it's legitimacy in the 3rd or 4th syllogistic line of argumentation. (1) Everything must have a cause (2) Gawd created everything, but he has no cause himself (3) Everything else but gawd must have a cause.... or some such nonsense.

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hahahaa yes, i watched one of his shows on google video and realised that nearly all of what he was saying was complete bollocks, i was hoping someone would do this.

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otester : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

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1100 days 10 hours ago...

Guys just 'cos 1 thing looks like another doesn't mean it once was or is something.

Rock isn't all Satanic, Christian rock for example...

And maybe is was flat while God textured it before putting it on the round ball.

Also someone please explain how evolution gets rounds these:

http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/points23.html

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AGNOSTIC for EVER, and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. (Until we die)

Admit it, we will never, ever know the truth in this lifetime.

Does it make sense that we hate, live, and be all knowing (Arrogant) in a religion that nobody has ANY (ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY) Facys/basis to force their beliefs on our lives...

Please, just ONE PERSON ****PLEASE***** realise that religion hurts HUMANITY!

Religion is a great bias for telling us HOW to live our lives (Its a guidebook), but we dont need to argue, kill and maim ourselves over which PROPHET told us how to live our lives.

Peace out (and stuff) x

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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lol why do people think evolution is proven? If it was proven, it wouldn't be a theory now would it, you silly bastard you.

Now, this will be my last post I'll ever post in this ill-witted thread but I just want you guys to know that you need to stop basing your facts on emo-slit-my-wrist-god-hates-us-all-live-fast-die-young pop band bullshit. You need to stop and think for yourselves, if you truly do believe there is no God then that's respectfully your choice, but I really don't want to see this shit on this website...I come here to laugh, not to listen to bookworms talk about some guy who made some theory that some how slithered it's way into our school system. Sure, teach the theory of evolution in school, but there should also be an alternative that's taught. I'm not saying teach only one religion's belief in school...teach religion has a whole. Of course, scientists don't want this because it threatens their precious theory. Everyone I meet in school all think it's "lame" to believe in God...hell, even my two best friends are Athiests...they rag on me all the time, they believe the universe was created a different way than I do and yet he's telling me mine is stupid. Isn't this exactly what some of your arguments are? How each religion is fighting eachother and saying their religion is better? Isn't believe the big bang theory a religion? Not an organized religion or anything, but you believe something that cannot be proven and never will be proven and it relies on blind faith. What you're telling me is that you're naive enough and so against religion that you blind yourself by saying what you BELIEVE is better than what I believe.

Thanks for reading folks, it's been a pleasure.

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So all those Billions and BILLIONS of star systems were born when God FARTED on his day off? Must've been on Thursday afternoon...

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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So all those stars were born when a dot the size of this period --> . exploded out of NO WHERE and created all of this?

Same shit, different pile.

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Insomniax2 : LVL 5: VP 1.4: said:

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So you're admiting that you're Agnostic?

(Agnostic means 'Without Knowledge'... meaning WE DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE)

He might have farted out a DOT, who knows?

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nova1999 : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1100 days 7 hours ago...

So this guy is stupid. Honestly I think scientists that try to disprove God are stupid. As are religious people who try to disprove evolution. I wish those dumb bastards would just say, "I don't know," now that's an argument that I can believe.

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1100 days 7 hours ago...

God is infallible , he does not fart :)

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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ThatsLife --->

"In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation."

In science "theory" is a progressing explanation based on facts and observations . If something cannot be proven or based on facts it is called 'hypothesis' .

And I personally base evolution on the tail you had when you were halfway to be born :P

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slayzer : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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1100 days 6 hours ago...

"Man killed off most Dinosaurs:

3. To be a hero (save the village from the dragon)"

AHAHAhAhahHAHH LMAO

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intrepid_spif : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1100 days 5 hours ago...

no amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie.

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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I agree Intrepid_spif, the big bang only influences the weakminded.

(and yes, I know you were referring to religion...I turned it around. +1 for me)

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ThatsLife : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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Lithuanian, the way everyone sees it there's either

Fact or Theory; no middle man.

But let me pick at your example and change a few words to make you understand that either way, we're arguing for no reason.

"For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation."

Now, my version:

"For example, it is a fact that God created the earth and has been observed by the design of everything living and the universe itself, and the theory which explains how God created the heavens and the earth is the current theory of our existence."

Not that I'm saying it's a theory because I wholeheartedly believe that God created everything. But I was using it as an example...that's what I've been constantly trying to say...our views of our creation are completely different, but both sound opposingly stupid to us. I know there'll be no way for you to believe in God in your current state because you're completely convinced that everything was created from a dot and evolved from monkey's (yes, monkey's, do the research.) And I believe that everything was created by a higher power. Until either side sees proof of the others' views we will never end this.

So I don't know why posting these movies (which were pretty horribly done....the little text effects sure do add to the moment) is going to accomplish? Who are you trying to convince, religious people, or yourself?...give it up. You're fighting a cause with no future of success.

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truth-is-the-nemesis : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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why would i want more info on this gronk?

he's the reason abortion was invented in the first place.

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_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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i sincerely do not believe any creationist/religious person has taken the time to read and (at least attempt to) understand what exactly the Big Bang theory is and represents. they don't understand that it roots from the premise of the continuing expansion of space and that it wasn't boom everything all at once

tsk tsk.

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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thats life,

learn a littlebit about science before you try to comment on it. no offense, but you sound as ignorant as this fake dr when you spout stupid shit like "if it was proven it wouldnt be a theory." we have a theory of gravity. we have a theory of electricity. but no one really questions their existence. understand basic scientific concepts before you comment on them. I learned all about your stupid beliefs before i commented on them.

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1100 days 1 hour ago...

Tax law is constitutional. It was the 16th admen. in 1913.

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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ThatsLife --->

Alright let us discuss it again .

And personally for me ,by the way , there is not enough evidence to say that everything came from a dot in space and time , since it is very young explanation . Universe is expanding , galaxies are moving further away from some point in space , yes it looks like an explosion , but we have little understanding of what it was .

Evolution theory does not explain how life began , it basicly says that we all had the same ancestor . Some species were grouped based on the observations long before Darwin , by other naturalists . Creationists acknowledge the similarities between species but do not give the explanation . Evolutionists give the explanation based on facts and observations (wolf - jackal - dog , Sinornithosaurus - Archaeopterix - modern birds) . Most of this is done by demonstrating the smallest changes between the species on their evolutionary path .

Look for example at the palm of your hand , do you know how it's different from chimp's palm ? It is less hairy and the big finger is way back from the other four , because this way it is much better to get a grip on the tools . First major difference between apes and hominids . According to evolution , I believe in , at least .

And again evolution may go along with some points of very cautious creationism , because it does not say how life began . But goes against the idea that everything was assembled/created 6000 , 10000 or even 1 million years ago , because it means closing eyes , shutting off the brain and dating everything that surrounds us , including smallest pebble back to that date , which is an exercise of how much retarded and ignorant of simplest evidences a person can get . Some micro biologists are trying to explain how life began , but basicly it is like trying to say what was the diameter of the dot in the big bang .

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So , lets say , there are 2 ideas of how universe began , first idea is creationist and the second is explosion .

Let's see what that big bang is based on .

"It is generally stated that there are three observational pillars that support the Big Bang theory of cosmology. These are the Hubble-type expansion seen in the redshifts of galaxies, the detailed measurements of the cosmic microwave background, and the abundance of light elements. (See Big Bang nucleosynthesis.) Additionally, the observed correlation function of large-scale structure of the cosmos fits well with standard Big Bang theory."

"The Accelerating universe is the idea that our universe is undergoing accelerated expansion: distant objects are receding from our galaxy with speeds that increase over time. The accelerating universe is related to the Hubble Law: while the Hubble parameter may be decreasing with time, it is doing so slowly enough that distant objects continue to accelerate away from us.

In the late 1990s, observations of Type Ia supernovae suggested that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. In the past few years, these observations have been corroborated by several independent sources: the cosmic microwave background, gravitational lensing, age of the universe and large scale structure, as well as improved measurements of the supernovae."

What is particular creationist idea you support based on ?

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As a Christian I have to stand up and say that guys like this do not speak for all Christians so try not to lump us all into one catagory. Likewise, I can't stand it when George Bush appears to speak for the majority of Christians. HE DOES NOT. I have doubts as to whether Bush is even a Christian at all. And please, for the love of humanity, do not compare peaceful Christians to fundamentalist Islamists who blow themselves up in public markets and slaughter hundreds of innocent bystanders. True Christians behave as Jesus behaved. Those who call themselves Christians but do not follow the example of Jesus Christ ARE PROBABLY NOT CHRISTIANS. Even Jesus said that one day these fools would stand before him for an accounting and he will say, "Depart from Me. I never knew you."

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@D! i stated earlier that bible infact mentions the planet as being a sphere.
your examples are mearly metaphors, or illustrations. If i search for someone to the 4 corners of the earth, it means i searched everywhere..............
Biblical accounts can be interpreted in many ways, but i think if you studied closely you will find that where it touches on scientific topics it is acurate.

This is an argument that can never be won.
The only losers are those that blindly choose to believe what they do because someone smarter than them told them to, better to research the topic and make your own judgment.

The fellow in this clip quite ill informed, his arguments for creationism arent quite sound.

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_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1099 days 2 hours ago...

*i've posted this also at the richard dawkins insults creationist university link*

i find it preposterous that in the 21st century (after all this time and evidence opposing creationism) there are still those who would rather die than admit the simple fact that God does not and never has existed.

not only can we point fun at the numerous flaws in the bible (2 of every animal on one fucking boat, time difference, ressurection, dinosaurs, created eve out of adam's rib, moses split water, etc.), but through that we disprove the bible's (and any other holy book for that matter) logic and credibility:

heaven is portrayed to be up in the clouds, and we've seen that to be false through space exploration. hell is supposed to be beneath the ground, yet we know for certain that the earth's core does not consist of a red man with horns and a tail. already the bible loses credibility. what; are you going to tell me another lie and say that heaven is just further away than we thought? regardless, the bible was just a lie, and credibility is lost.

don't you see? things said in the bible and other holy books were just to cover things they didn't understand yet. people knew not of what clouds were made of (and thought the sun was 'the source') so it was natural to appoint god's home (heaven) to what was out of reach to humans at the time (the clouds).

don't you remember all the explanations people had back then for things they didn't understand? comets used to be thought of as attacks by heavenly beings. and the salem witch trials, well they thought the girls were possessed by the devil. the general consensus now is that it was the work of mouldy rye bread.

even if at the moment, one cannot disprove your flying spaghetti monster who may happen to have the cloak of invisibilty, we can certainly discredit the bible.

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Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1099 days 1 hour ago...

_ironman
Agreed there are parts of the biblical account that are quite far fetched and hard to believe, but It is quite historicaly and scientificaly accurate, I am still looking for somthing to discredit it.
A "Hell" as you stated does not exist under the surface of our earth, true.
If you read closely the bible doesnt actually say there is such a place, it is a "made up" story taught as biblical fact.
There are many things taughts as biblical fact when they are indeed false and make little sence when you actually read it for yourself.
Dinosours are not mentioned, doesnt mean they didnt exist...... (we have hard evidence to prove they did) Creationist nuts who ignore irrefutable scientific evidence are stupid.

From reading a few of the topics here i get the feeling alot of people refuse to believe in a creation theory because of their jaded view of religion. Religion or the bible is always braught up in this debate. Look beyond the failings of man and how they choose represent and interpret thier faith. Even if the Bible is wrong, you cannot ignore the complex and seemingly designed universe around us and discount the possability it was designed and created that way because you dont agree with a religious teaching.
You all have "evidence" to discredit the bible and therefore a creator.
forget about the bible...... isnt it just a book?

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LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1099 days ago...

"Even if the Bible is wrong, you cannot ignore the complex and seemingly designed universe around u"

Yes we can. Just because YOU think the Universe looks designed doesn't mean it is. It also certainly doesn't mean that the rest of us here think it looks designed either.
There is no "ignoring" going on, we just see a more logical universe.

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Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1098 days 21 hours ago...

^^
Maybe one day when scientists convince me beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe is happenstance ill come round to your side of the argument. till then ill continue to take the illogical view that when somthing looks designed, it must have a designer.

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1098 days 18 hours ago...

Diashan ---->

You are basicly saying that universe is intelligently designed basing this on the variety and complexity of many things that surround us . The thought that you giving it "created" and "human-like" attributes and projecting it as creation of supernatural being does not bother you . As well as the sheer arrogance of thought that if you know how to design things everything around you was designed by some super being . Fare enough .

Let's get back to the basics . Humans can design things , it is proven , we do it , we see it everyday . Octopus can sort of design shelter out of rocks , birds can sort of design nests , hares can sort of design holes in the ground and ants can sort of design hives . It is all proven , it works , we can see it , we can check it . We have :

1. "Creator" : Human , octopus , bird , hare , ant .
2. "Action" and "observation" .
3. "Result" : Computer , shelters , nests , holes , hives .

The universe . We have the universe . It is big . It is complex . Let's say it is "result" , cause we can say whatever we wish , because we are blessed we thought and we can communicate .

Alright , let's say universe is a "result" of activity of an intelligent or superintelligent being(s) , not a giant ant or a giant bird . We can say that , again we can say whatever we want .

Why would we think to say that ? Well universe is complex and there are many old contradicting documents of people who were worshipping trees , animals and big rocks , all suggesting there is a superintelligent being (beings) who looks (look) like human or animal or bird or not like anithing we know .

Good . We only need to base it somehow . Now I remind you , that we now have the really narrow "result" and we are will try to find the equation . Some might say it is dumb , but we'll see how it goes .

- It is five !
- What five ?
- 3 + 2 = 5 , I knew it is 5 all along , I had to look for 2 and 3 .

That's why creation idea looks really really really dodgy . They take the worst of their philosofical nature , suggest universe is a creation , narrow it down to "creation of superintelligent being" and then they are running around , trying to find an equation for their result , thinking that if they will do that , it will disprove centuries of "equation ---> result".

And some scientist are really really pissed off at them for that . We can say and propose whatever we want , but making up something , trying to prove it and telling it is true is just wrong . It does not work that way , just because you think it works that way . You have to see it , check what's inside , and then tell how it works .

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LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1098 days 17 hours ago...

You personally think logically through your life and yet you say you believe a narrow specifical "result" , without having "creator" , "action" and "observation". You would not be able to live on your own if you would think illogically , it is crucial to survival . Yet you take one idea , you want to think illogically about .

I mean , why ? Is it because universe is complex ? Well , a smallest pebble is complex and it gets more and more complex with each discovery in subatomic phisics . Does it mean we have more and more pointers towards superintelligent creator with each discovery and theory ? Yes , but everything else too , including aliens , ghosts , banshees and lesbian centaurians from planet Qwee-qwee-xxerdth , we don't know the hell about .

Results may vary .

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1098 days 14 hours ago...

*again, from the other post*

"everything is so fancy, detailed, complex, and complicated"

so you'd rather believe one entity created the universe AND everything in it all at once, than believe that everything slowly evolved into something close to perfection over time after a "big bang"? if everything is so complex, doesn't it seem illogical to think that the universe in its entirety was created all at once by the snap of a sky monster's fingers?

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yes,
we do have evidence to discredit the bible AND other holy books. these are what religion and the idea of an almighty creator is based upon. here's the thing; people read their holy books as if it were a fucking documentary, when in fact it is nothing more than a fairy tale in which one can use as a guideline to lead a "good life."

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Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1098 days 13 hours ago...

^^
yes basicaly thats what I believe, though I think the sky monster didnt just snap his fingers and make it appear. the fact that we know the universe is still expanding, and we know its not infinatly old, suggest to me a big bang may have been used to get things started.

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1098 days 13 hours ago...

Diashan wrote: "then ill continue to take the illogical view that when somthing looks designed, it must have a designer."

Once again, just remember that YOU think it looks designed. I don't, nor do the majority of scientists in the world.
Just remember, they way you THINK something looks, is not an argument.

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1097 days 5 hours ago...

Diashan..... You share your simple view with the majority of the world, who, like you also believe in monsters, demons and magic. At least most of them have the excuse of being superstitious, uneducated peasants. What's your excuse, brought up in a religious family, attended a religious school or a new convert zealously trying to prove his faith?

Your religion is the darkness, Science is the light. That is why you shrink away from the ferocity that is the beacon of knowledge. You and your kind are the darkness that threatens mankind's immortal survival.

Oh see ye not yon narrow path,
So thick beset with thorn and briars?
That is the path of righteousness,
though after it but few enquires.

And see ye not yon broad broad road ,
that lies across the lily leven?
That is the path of wickedness,
though some say it leads to Heaven.

Go take the broad road Diashan, travel the easy path of ignorance with your fellow travellers the mystic hippies, the muslims, the hindus, the voodoo practioners, the scientogolgists and the uneducated.....DAMN YOU ALL for wasting mankinds precious time with the unecessary persistence of your wilful ignorance.

Me? I've got to go and study reality...harsh, frighteningly random and unpalatable... as it often is.

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874 days 10 hours ago...

made adam first because he didn't want advice hahaha other than that, this guy is douche material

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751 days 19 hours ago...

I believe hovind has done good and bad things...but accusing him for fraud with taxes does not make his arguments about science weaker....
Maybe there is truth in a logical objectiv scientific approach. When i read the other comments i see that you all think he is stupid. I say he is brave intelligent and it must be possible to let other teories then the evolution teory get your attention. i am from denmark and i am trying to be as objective as i can...are you?

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Yes me too i am a strong beleaver in Mr Kent Hovind i think personaly you are all hypercritical... You say science is about prooving and disprooving and just because he is able to disproove your childish evelutionist beliefs you mock him shame on you all..

I am a proud supporter of the christian faith i hope you all go to hell..

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