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It's sad that some people actually pay to hear this guy talk. This God-pushing presenter is now in jail for fraud.

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

D!

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1100 days 7 hours ago...

thats life,

learn a littlebit about science before you try to comment on it. no offense, but you sound as ignorant as this fake dr when you spout stupid shit like "if it was proven it wouldnt be a theory." we have a theory of gravity. we have a theory of electricity. but no one really questions their existence. understand basic scientific concepts before you comment on them. I learned all about your stupid beliefs before i commented on them.

goldenzelda2000 : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

goldenzelda2000

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1100 days 6 hours ago...

Tax law is constitutional. It was the 16th admen. in 1913.

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

LithuanianLabourer

3 votes NegativePositive

1100 days 1 hour ago...

ThatsLife --->

Alright let us discuss it again .

And personally for me ,by the way , there is not enough evidence to say that everything came from a dot in space and time , since it is very young explanation . Universe is expanding , galaxies are moving further away from some point in space , yes it looks like an explosion , but we have little understanding of what it was .

Evolution theory does not explain how life began , it basicly says that we all had the same ancestor . Some species were grouped based on the observations long before Darwin , by other naturalists . Creationists acknowledge the similarities between species but do not give the explanation . Evolutionists give the explanation based on facts and observations (wolf - jackal - dog , Sinornithosaurus - Archaeopterix - modern birds) . Most of this is done by demonstrating the smallest changes between the species on their evolutionary path .

Look for example at the palm of your hand , do you know how it's different from chimp's palm ? It is less hairy and the big finger is way back from the other four , because this way it is much better to get a grip on the tools . First major difference between apes and hominids . According to evolution , I believe in , at least .

And again evolution may go along with some points of very cautious creationism , because it does not say how life began . But goes against the idea that everything was assembled/created 6000 , 10000 or even 1 million years ago , because it means closing eyes , shutting off the brain and dating everything that surrounds us , including smallest pebble back to that date , which is an exercise of how much retarded and ignorant of simplest evidences a person can get . Some micro biologists are trying to explain how life began , but basicly it is like trying to say what was the diameter of the dot in the big bang .

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

LithuanianLabourer

3 votes NegativePositive

1100 days 1 hour ago...

So , lets say , there are 2 ideas of how universe began , first idea is creationist and the second is explosion .

Let's see what that big bang is based on .

"It is generally stated that there are three observational pillars that support the Big Bang theory of cosmology. These are the Hubble-type expansion seen in the redshifts of galaxies, the detailed measurements of the cosmic microwave background, and the abundance of light elements. (See Big Bang nucleosynthesis.) Additionally, the observed correlation function of large-scale structure of the cosmos fits well with standard Big Bang theory."

"The Accelerating universe is the idea that our universe is undergoing accelerated expansion: distant objects are receding from our galaxy with speeds that increase over time. The accelerating universe is related to the Hubble Law: while the Hubble parameter may be decreasing with time, it is doing so slowly enough that distant objects continue to accelerate away from us.

In the late 1990s, observations of Type Ia supernovae suggested that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. In the past few years, these observations have been corroborated by several independent sources: the cosmic microwave background, gravitational lensing, age of the universe and large scale structure, as well as improved measurements of the supernovae."

What is particular creationist idea you support based on ?

HeyDanno : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

HeyDanno

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1099 days 8 hours ago...

As a Christian I have to stand up and say that guys like this do not speak for all Christians so try not to lump us all into one catagory. Likewise, I can't stand it when George Bush appears to speak for the majority of Christians. HE DOES NOT. I have doubts as to whether Bush is even a Christian at all. And please, for the love of humanity, do not compare peaceful Christians to fundamentalist Islamists who blow themselves up in public markets and slaughter hundreds of innocent bystanders. True Christians behave as Jesus behaved. Those who call themselves Christians but do not follow the example of Jesus Christ ARE PROBABLY NOT CHRISTIANS. Even Jesus said that one day these fools would stand before him for an accounting and he will say, "Depart from Me. I never knew you."

Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Diashan

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1099 days 7 hours ago...

@D! i stated earlier that bible infact mentions the planet as being a sphere.
your examples are mearly metaphors, or illustrations. If i search for someone to the 4 corners of the earth, it means i searched everywhere..............
Biblical accounts can be interpreted in many ways, but i think if you studied closely you will find that where it touches on scientific topics it is acurate.

This is an argument that can never be won.
The only losers are those that blindly choose to believe what they do because someone smarter than them told them to, better to research the topic and make your own judgment.

The fellow in this clip quite ill informed, his arguments for creationism arent quite sound.

_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

_ironman

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1099 days 6 hours ago...

*i've posted this also at the richard dawkins insults creationist university link*

i find it preposterous that in the 21st century (after all this time and evidence opposing creationism) there are still those who would rather die than admit the simple fact that God does not and never has existed.

not only can we point fun at the numerous flaws in the bible (2 of every animal on one fucking boat, time difference, ressurection, dinosaurs, created eve out of adam's rib, moses split water, etc.), but through that we disprove the bible's (and any other holy book for that matter) logic and credibility:

heaven is portrayed to be up in the clouds, and we've seen that to be false through space exploration. hell is supposed to be beneath the ground, yet we know for certain that the earth's core does not consist of a red man with horns and a tail. already the bible loses credibility. what; are you going to tell me another lie and say that heaven is just further away than we thought? regardless, the bible was just a lie, and credibility is lost.

don't you see? things said in the bible and other holy books were just to cover things they didn't understand yet. people knew not of what clouds were made of (and thought the sun was 'the source') so it was natural to appoint god's home (heaven) to what was out of reach to humans at the time (the clouds).

don't you remember all the explanations people had back then for things they didn't understand? comets used to be thought of as attacks by heavenly beings. and the salem witch trials, well they thought the girls were possessed by the devil. the general consensus now is that it was the work of mouldy rye bread.

even if at the moment, one cannot disprove your flying spaghetti monster who may happen to have the cloak of invisibilty, we can certainly discredit the bible.

Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Diashan

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1099 days 5 hours ago...

_ironman
Agreed there are parts of the biblical account that are quite far fetched and hard to believe, but It is quite historicaly and scientificaly accurate, I am still looking for somthing to discredit it.
A "Hell" as you stated does not exist under the surface of our earth, true.
If you read closely the bible doesnt actually say there is such a place, it is a "made up" story taught as biblical fact.
There are many things taughts as biblical fact when they are indeed false and make little sence when you actually read it for yourself.
Dinosours are not mentioned, doesnt mean they didnt exist...... (we have hard evidence to prove they did) Creationist nuts who ignore irrefutable scientific evidence are stupid.

From reading a few of the topics here i get the feeling alot of people refuse to believe in a creation theory because of their jaded view of religion. Religion or the bible is always braught up in this debate. Look beyond the failings of man and how they choose represent and interpret thier faith. Even if the Bible is wrong, you cannot ignore the complex and seemingly designed universe around us and discount the possability it was designed and created that way because you dont agree with a religious teaching.
You all have "evidence" to discredit the bible and therefore a creator.
forget about the bible...... isnt it just a book?

LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

LeighCedar

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1099 days 5 hours ago...

"Even if the Bible is wrong, you cannot ignore the complex and seemingly designed universe around u"

Yes we can. Just because YOU think the Universe looks designed doesn't mean it is. It also certainly doesn't mean that the rest of us here think it looks designed either.
There is no "ignoring" going on, we just see a more logical universe.

Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Diashan

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1099 days 2 hours ago...

^^
Maybe one day when scientists convince me beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe is happenstance ill come round to your side of the argument. till then ill continue to take the illogical view that when somthing looks designed, it must have a designer.

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

LithuanianLabourer

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1098 days 22 hours ago...

Diashan ---->

You are basicly saying that universe is intelligently designed basing this on the variety and complexity of many things that surround us . The thought that you giving it "created" and "human-like" attributes and projecting it as creation of supernatural being does not bother you . As well as the sheer arrogance of thought that if you know how to design things everything around you was designed by some super being . Fare enough .

Let's get back to the basics . Humans can design things , it is proven , we do it , we see it everyday . Octopus can sort of design shelter out of rocks , birds can sort of design nests , hares can sort of design holes in the ground and ants can sort of design hives . It is all proven , it works , we can see it , we can check it . We have :

1. "Creator" : Human , octopus , bird , hare , ant .
2. "Action" and "observation" .
3. "Result" : Computer , shelters , nests , holes , hives .

The universe . We have the universe . It is big . It is complex . Let's say it is "result" , cause we can say whatever we wish , because we are blessed we thought and we can communicate .

Alright , let's say universe is a "result" of activity of an intelligent or superintelligent being(s) , not a giant ant or a giant bird . We can say that , again we can say whatever we want .

Why would we think to say that ? Well universe is complex and there are many old contradicting documents of people who were worshipping trees , animals and big rocks , all suggesting there is a superintelligent being (beings) who looks (look) like human or animal or bird or not like anithing we know .

Good . We only need to base it somehow . Now I remind you , that we now have the really narrow "result" and we are will try to find the equation . Some might say it is dumb , but we'll see how it goes .

- It is five !
- What five ?
- 3 + 2 = 5 , I knew it is 5 all along , I had to look for 2 and 3 .

That's why creation idea looks really really really dodgy . They take the worst of their philosofical nature , suggest universe is a creation , narrow it down to "creation of superintelligent being" and then they are running around , trying to find an equation for their result , thinking that if they will do that , it will disprove centuries of "equation ---> result".

And some scientist are really really pissed off at them for that . We can say and propose whatever we want , but making up something , trying to prove it and telling it is true is just wrong . It does not work that way , just because you think it works that way . You have to see it , check what's inside , and then tell how it works .

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

LithuanianLabourer

0 votes NegativePositive

1098 days 22 hours ago...

You personally think logically through your life and yet you say you believe a narrow specifical "result" , without having "creator" , "action" and "observation". You would not be able to live on your own if you would think illogically , it is crucial to survival . Yet you take one idea , you want to think illogically about .

I mean , why ? Is it because universe is complex ? Well , a smallest pebble is complex and it gets more and more complex with each discovery in subatomic phisics . Does it mean we have more and more pointers towards superintelligent creator with each discovery and theory ? Yes , but everything else too , including aliens , ghosts , banshees and lesbian centaurians from planet Qwee-qwee-xxerdth , we don't know the hell about .

Results may vary .

_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

_ironman

2 votes NegativePositive

1098 days 19 hours ago...

*again, from the other post*

"everything is so fancy, detailed, complex, and complicated"

so you'd rather believe one entity created the universe AND everything in it all at once, than believe that everything slowly evolved into something close to perfection over time after a "big bang"? if everything is so complex, doesn't it seem illogical to think that the universe in its entirety was created all at once by the snap of a sky monster's fingers?

_______________________________________________________

yes,
we do have evidence to discredit the bible AND other holy books. these are what religion and the idea of an almighty creator is based upon. here's the thing; people read their holy books as if it were a fucking documentary, when in fact it is nothing more than a fairy tale in which one can use as a guideline to lead a "good life."

Diashan : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Diashan

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1098 days 17 hours ago...

^^
yes basicaly thats what I believe, though I think the sky monster didnt just snap his fingers and make it appear. the fact that we know the universe is still expanding, and we know its not infinatly old, suggest to me a big bang may have been used to get things started.

LeighCedar : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

LeighCedar

0 votes NegativePositive

1098 days 17 hours ago...

Diashan wrote: "then ill continue to take the illogical view that when somthing looks designed, it must have a designer."


Once again, just remember that YOU think it looks designed. I don't, nor do the majority of scientists in the world.
Just remember, they way you THINK something looks, is not an argument.

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