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It's sad that some people actually pay to hear this guy talk. This God-pushing presenter is now in jail for fraud.

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11/22/2006 5:51:05 PM

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morrow23 : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1100 days 23 hours ago...

How does a sexist idiot argue religion??

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o22 : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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1100 days 23 hours ago...

What an asshole ¬_¬

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ThaIceberg : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

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1100 days 22 hours ago...

ooh, whoever put these clips together and added the text is super clever. A real internet gangster.

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hugin : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

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1100 days 20 hours ago...

Stupidity at its finest.

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meshblorg : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

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1100 days 18 hours ago...

$250,000 dollars? Evolution has been proven for awhile now...

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gdold : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

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1100 days 17 hours ago...

I've nere heard of this guy - but it certainly illustrates the stupidity of creationists.

It's easy to prove evolouion, it has been witnessed so may times (Take the common cold, for example... it evolves so that our current defences are useless. Ever had a 'Superbug'? Same principle, immune to antibiotics.)

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LoyalOutlaw : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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1100 days 17 hours ago...

haha OMG this guy should become a comedian

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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1100 days 16 hours ago...

^^^

He IS a comedian. The sad part is, a HUGE proportion of americans actually believe this garbage. It's like they are mentally little kids- too scared to learn facts, and instead hang onto their infantile beliefs like teddy bears or security blankets. And, not surprisingly, guess who they teend to vote for? That's right, strong daddy figures who will make them feel safe from the scary tara-ists.

Seriously- this guy argues that dinosurs were not distinct species, but instead REALLY BIG LIZARDS, because there was more oxygen back then, and so lizards grew to the size of dinosaurs. He also states that gravity does not exist, using the brilliant example of a merry go round on a school playground. If you spin it really fast, he argues, people would just fly off, and that's what would happen to us, if it weren't that objects stick to the earth because of "Gawd power."

He's been called out on his $250,000 reward dozens of times, but then he always changes his story. He uses non-scientific terms that have no meaning, like "kinds" (i.e., "show me an example of one kind transforming into another") and then won't define what a "kind" is (since this is a biblical term, not a scientific one). When scientists have shown this (i.e., whales with legs, then smaller legs, then much smaller legs, then no legs, only vestigal leg bones), he says that's not a "kind" transforming, so sorry, you don't win.

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tazboy : LVL 6: VP 1.5: said:

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1100 days 16 hours ago...

"You should hear his seminars on why the earth is really flat, after all, the bible says so."

Actually the bible says to contrary and so does he. So now that you've stated this everyone will think that is truly what he believes. Which it's not but whatever, right.

And relax about the cyanide thing. The whole video on the cyanide thing isn't even on this video so we can't even really discuss it like it should be dicussed. Plus, if I told you to not eat but to smoke cyanide you would probably think I was crazy, yet millions of people in the world do that with cigarettes. Hmm.

"Funny how I havent heard of this excellent theory from any scientists."
Actually there are thousands of scientists that believe certain things contrary to what you believe but you do not hear them either. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

One thing, for example, that has been discovered but you've probably never heard of it because it goes against majority belief is the discovery of dinosaur tissue. According to scientists, tissue should go bye-bye after a thousand years or so. Seems like it goes away faster than that for humans. So the question is, how can dinosaurs be millions of years old and still have tissue? Take a look: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

From the video:
"An opinion does not require intelligent thought. Do not confuse it with a fact."
Yet that is exactly what we do to children by teaching the evolution. It is a theory, not a fact. Yet we teach it as such and that is what they get out of it. Plus, it's in their standardized tests so they are even more likely to treat it as fact.

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5th_Horseman666 : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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1100 days 16 hours ago...

so heres the deal... I'm a Biology/Philosophy double major and I have expossure to both sides of the argument.
First off, this guy is wrong and sould be put in the an asylum. But, the creationism argument itself is not as invalid as most people think. They way guys like this nut-job put it, obviously its wrong. However, one thing to keep in mind is that evolution is not a complete theory. For example, there is reasonable doubt on how evolution can discribe the appearance of the very first functional cell. The thing is that once that first cell exist, evolution is the most logical and plausible course of events. BUT, the theory hits a brick wall when confronted with how that very first cell came to be, and more importantly how it came to be alive, ie how it began to function as a cell.
Furthermore, the creationism argument, in light of theism, goes far beyond the creation of life. The creation of the universe is also a question that can be addressed through creationism, even if you believe in the Big Bang theory because even big bang requires something to have existed prior to the universe, ie the super-condenced particle that initiated the explosion.
Nonetheless, all creationism arguments can be denied with one simple move. They all rely on one philosophical principle, The Principle of Suffient Reason, which states that there must be a cause for every effect and all that was created must have been created by something other than itself. Creationism uses this principe and adds further that God is the only being that could exist without a cause (the debate over this is ongoing). Given that, God is the only way anything can really exist... unless you reject the principle of suffient reason and say that existance is a brute fact and has nothing to do with cause and effect...

well, thats my rant... take as you will

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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The bible on flat earth:

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth” (Revelation 7:1). “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth” (Isaiah 11:12).

Ever heard of a sphere with 4 corners?

“And the devil taking [Jesus] up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time” (Luke 4:5; see also Matthew 4:8). “The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth” (Daniel 4:11).

So how could you possibly see all areas of a shere from one point, no matter how high it is? Oh, that's right- you can't.

"And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do” (Genesis 11:4-6).

So here gawd messes with the people because they built a tower that almost reaced up to his hidey hole up in the sky, which is, after all, directly UP, apparently (rather than realizing that the earth spins on its axis and rotates around the sun, and therefore "up" is quite reliative).

And btw, those of you who don't understand the 6000 years thing, check out this crap. http://www.independencebaptist.org/6,000%20Year%20Old%20Earth/6,000_year_ol
d_earth.htm#Proof%20of%206,000%20Year%20Old%20Earth

And to 5th_Horseman666, just because the theory of evolution doesn't explain everything in the world doesn't mean that creationism has credence. Why are you accepting the premise, "If evolution is not perfect, then go to creationism"? That's pretty silly. We don't fully understand how cancer works, but that doesn't mean we should give the idea that spirits create cancer any serious thought. The "uncaused cause" argument is about s dumb a thing I can imagine. It goes something like, "A) nothing can come into existence by itself. B) Therefore, a being mut hav ecome into existence by itself to create everything else." I can't think of another "argument" that so clearly contradicts itself in such simple terms that intelligent people talk about.

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5th_Horseman666 : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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to D!:

you clearly missed my point. I am a biologist, the theory of evolution is my equivalent of the bible, so to speak. I never said that it doesnt work or is not perfect, I said it has limits, just like every theory ever proposed by science.
Furthermore, I did not say that anyone should blindly accept creationism. I merely suggested a deeper aspect of that side of the debate, a side that has reasonable grounds from a philosophical point of view. I merely attempt to give greater depth to the debate, a debate that is worthy of attention. I'm trying to point out that while people who take the Bible at face value are very probably mistaken, there is something to be had in that line of thinking on a deeper level.

The arguments for ultimate creation, stemming from Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR), are credible and worthy, at the very least, of proper consideration. Just because you cant imagine it doesnt make it false. You, no doubt, cant imagine gravity and yet its there... Your imagination is not the standard of acceptable things. Now, I personally am not in favor of those arguments as I have my doubts about the Principle of Sufficient Reason, but I do not flatly deny it since I dont have a way to disprove it resonably.

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_ironman : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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LMAO that was amazingly hilarious. whoever is dumb enough to actually go to his lectures should know better. sure you may fall for some of his misinformative crap if you aren't thinking clearly, but there is NO WAY dinosaurs lived with adam and eve. one should immediately stop listening when he said "i do believe in fire-breathing dragons" because that is just plain stupid. he's a moron....fire-breathing dragons lol.

and i cannot believe how many americans believe that the planet is only 6000 years old. or 10000. i forget what the survey stated. i have yet to see any stats from other countries, but i'm sure the majority of the world really is stupid enough to believe that the planet was created so recently as 6000/10000 years ago. it saddens me that so many people believe that garbage.

P.S. i loved how he quoted Hitler TWICE and i loved the Simpsons clips hahahah that was a great episode

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D! : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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^^ I don't think I missed your point- I simply don't see how a hole in the theory of evolution leads to the consideration of creationist gibberish as as "not as invalid as most people think."

If they actually did accept the Principle of Sufficient Reason then they would not believe in gawd. If they don't accept it, then they don't even have a semantic leg to stand on. I just get tired of people basically making the argument "If we don't understand something fully with theory X , then theory Y has credence." This wouldn't be horribly ridiculous if theory Y had a decent amount of explanatory power, or could even be truly considered a scientific theory. In this case, theory y, creationism, has no merit scientifically, and so IS "as invalid as most people think," probably moreso.

There simply is no other place in science where this sort of idiocy is even discussed, since it is antithetical to the scientific method. We don't say "I can't fullly explain phenomenon A in (physics, or geology, or psychology, or biology, etc.), and so THEREFORE perhaps a SPIRIT is responsible for it. Let's give that "theory" a closer look."

To do so would be quite silly, as I'm sure you would probably recognize in any other sphere. Yet, for some reason, many people become "cozy" with creationism in this regard, which I've never fully understood. If I can't explain why a certain rock formation is found in an area, as a geologist, I don't revert to the idea that Odin created it as potentially viable.

In terms of my "imagination" as a standard of evidence, I truly have no idea what you are talking about. I made no such claim, and implied nothing of the sort. Furthermore, I can imagine gravity. I'm squinting my eyes while I type this and imagining it right now. Anyway, I'm not endorsing or denying that principle of sufficient reason- just saying that it can't possibly be used in creationist argument, since the very explanatory mecahnism that is seminal to it (gawd) contradicts it. You don't have to "disprove it resonably" if the alternative theory contradicts it right out of the gate but then tries to uphold it's legitimacy in the 3rd or 4th syllogistic line of argumentation. (1) Everything must have a cause (2) Gawd created everything, but he has no cause himself (3) Everything else but gawd must have a cause.... or some such nonsense.

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maxpep09 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

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1100 days 15 hours ago...

hahahaa yes, i watched one of his shows on google video and realised that nearly all of what he was saying was complete bollocks, i was hoping someone would do this.

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