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An inmate who used laxatives to shed 31 pounds so he could squeeze through a hole in a prison wall had been frustrated by the indefinite sentence he was serving, a judge said Friday.

Robert Cole, 37, spent three days on the run from police in January after slipping his 123-pound frame through a 15-centimeter wide hole he had chiseled with a butter knife in the widow frame of a hospital wing at Sydney's Long Bay Jail.

Cole, who had been hospitalized for psychiatric treatment, spent three weeks scraping the brickwork near the window bars to widen the space, the New South Wales state District Court Judge Roger Dive said.

Dive sentenced Cole on Friday two years and two months imprisonment after he pleaded guilty to a charge of escape. The sentence was backdated to his recapture on Jan. 21.

When he escaped, Cole had been serving an indefinite sentence in the prison hospital after a jury found him not guilty of armed robbery in 2003 on the grounds of mental illness.

Dive accepted Cole was "very frustrated" at the time of his escape, as "he did not have a definite date of release and no apparent treatment plan."

Cole's sister, Australian television actress Denise Roberts, told the court her brother had "put on a lot of weight" since he was recaptured and sent to a different prison.

After serving his sentence, Cole will remain in the prison hospital until government authorities decide he is no longer a public danger.

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MixxieTheDude : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

MixxieTheDude

38 votes NegativePositive

1115 days 5 hours ago...

He gets extra jail-time for trying to escape? If I remember correctly in my country (the Netherlands) you can't get extra jail-time for trying to escape, because it's considered human-nature, instinct so to say, to try and free oneself from imprisonment. (Just like an animal does.)
Personally I feel the same way, I mean using force and stuff like that ofcourse changes the situation... but this guy carved out a hole in a wall with a butterknife after sh#tting himself senseless with laxatives and gets two years extra?
...I'm surprised he was even able to hold the butter-knife after such extensive pooping.

READY_FOR_WAR : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

READY_FOR_WAR

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1115 days 1 hour ago...

^so would you like to see murderers and child rapists out on time, even though they tried to escape numerous times because it's human nature???

Complexx : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

Complexx

4 votes NegativePositive

1115 days ago...

How can you take someone primal right and not expect him to try to get it back?I didnt know about Netherlands here its 6months trying to run and more if you succeed

Violetninja420 : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

Violetninja420

10 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 23 hours ago...

And again READY_FOR_WAR misses the point entirely...

What he was saying was people in desperate situations will resort to desperate measures in order to get what they need, in this case, freedom.
Hence they cannot be blamed for something they do instinctivly.

"Personally I feel the same way, I mean using force and stuff like that of course changes the situation..." - MixxieTheDude

He just said he felt the circumstances are different in this case, so i dont see what your trying to argue here. Its the government in the netherlands that made the rule, not him.

So quiet your idiot mouth and go back to bashing us fuckin "kanadians".

killakobra : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

killakobra

1 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 21 hours ago...

mixxie, it's not liek that everywhere

Dellian : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

Dellian

0 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 19 hours ago...

I like your point mixxie and I salute it! *salutes*

Shadowsoul27 : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

Shadowsoul27

0 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 15 hours ago...

It's either one of two things:

Either he's so mentally unstable that he had to escape and shat himself a new hole just to escape through, well, a hole...

Or he's so right in his mind, he figured out the best way to get the hell out of there.

One way or another, he shouldn't have tried to escape, and I don't believe that it's necessarily human nature that should be counted on in order to lay blame, because it's in human nature to do a lot of things, and not all of them are right or correct in modern times. We evolved from that time period for a reason, no need to go back to it.

READY_FOR_WAR : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

READY_FOR_WAR

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1114 days 13 hours ago...

i didn't miss the point. he said "He gets extra jail-time for trying to escape?"

yes, a criminal WILL and SHOULD get extra time for trying to escape. he is in jail for commiting a crime and even though he doesn't want to be in jail, there has to be some kind of incentive NOT to escape.

so shut the fuck up Violetninja420 you dumb ass kanadian.

Hockeychaoz (Admin) : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

Hockeychaoz

1 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 9 hours ago...

^
@Ready_for_war

It seems your third grade education never got around to telling you the correct spelling of Canadian. It also seems they never got around to the proper use of capitals either, but you'll get there eventually, it just takes a little more time for some people.

It makes sense to have a law that says that one cannot get extra jail time for trying to escape. Like MixxieTheDude said, it is human nature. It's just instinct to try to do whats best for oneself. I know nothing about you, but I can safely assume that you have never been in prison for a long period of time, nor have I. But there are studies on how the mind of people change if they are confined for too long. This man had mental illness before he was confined for a few years, you can only imagine his mental state afterwards.

Starlancer : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

Starlancer

8 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 8 hours ago...

Half the people on this bloody board "can't spell American right", so I think we have the right: kanada all the way ;).

johnpaulbland : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

johnpaulbland

3 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 8 hours ago...

Hockey you are an annoying git. Piss off back to Russia.

ricemonkey : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

ricemonkey

0 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 7 hours ago...

^ way to flame an admin retard

it's not Canada nor Kanada... it's Canadia...

MixxieTheDude : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

MixxieTheDude

4 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 6 hours ago...

^Lol ricemonkey.

I love how READY_FOR_WAR so totally lives up to all expectations of the pre-judiced people's feelings towards Americans... Thank god I know from my own experience that so many Americans are different.

"^so would you like to see murderers and child rapists out on time, even though they tried to escape numerous times because it's human nature???" ...Okay so wtf are you trying to say first of? I don't think them getting out on time has anything to do with escaping?
That's something related to the judge(ment), one would assume you put all effort into 'catching the crook' once they have set themselves free so I am completely confused over your arguement. On top of that not all people in jail are 'child rapists and murderers'.
In my country any 'crimes commited' during their run for freedom are ofcourse added to their time already served, using force or 'destruction' to get your freedom back will ofcourse entirely be blamed on your own self-responsibillity, it's just making use of a given oppertunity that will not be used against you.
If someone plans their escape ages ahead with help from the outside world etc etc will ofcourse be seen as conspiracy, someone using a butterknife to carve a space is just a desperate person trying to get out of a situation.
Them being criminals doesn't make them lesser humans with the same rights and feelings as you and me.

Shadowsoul27: We are humans... We all have instincts and we all act like it - 'wanting to steal' or 'forcing someone into sex' is not an instinct - instincts are trying to find shelter, food/water, find a partner/reproduce and retaining your freedom. I really don't see which of them "aren't right or correct in modern times. "????

Ofcourse we are all inclined to our own opinions, but I think taking "human-instincts" into account is nothing short of Justice. And I am quite proud my country serves Justice instead of the "Right thing to do", because many many times the right thing to do is far from actual justice.
That's why I am against death-penalty - yes it may serve them right but in my opinion the 'government' and justice-department should be above such choices, arguements and judgements.
No evidence? No case. No suspect? No case. Leave the judgement to the judges and not to 'juries' who are despite 'being the people' are not trained and able to service justice - like I said they will likely serve "The Right Thing To Do" or even worse just pick the guy with the best story...
I guess that's why the International Courts are in my country and not the 'almighty, best of all, most righteous US of A"...?

aznfreak9991 : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

aznfreak9991

2 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 5 hours ago...

15 cm??!?!?!?
GOD DAM!!!

Godsim : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Godsim

1 votes NegativePositive

1114 days 4 hours ago...

READY_FOR_WAR you're complete retard and you shouldn't be allowed to use the internet nor to breathe the same air we normal people do. If we would live in a world you wished we live in, people like you weren't
allowed to spread their genes, even it is your nature.

READY_FOR_WAR : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

READY_FOR_WAR

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1114 days 3 hours ago...

^my "genes" are superior to yours. even if you are an American, i am better than YOU. if you are kanadian...i am your GOD.


Godsim : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Godsim

3 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 23 hours ago...

^ Yes you are God, in your schizophrenic lollipop-land.
I hope you just act being stupid like a stone, but hell, it's getting fun, keep on going psycho.
Otherwise you should see your doctor and ask for the heavy stuff.

READY_FOR_WAR : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

READY_FOR_WAR

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1113 days 20 hours ago...

oooooh, that was a good one. but if i wanted cumback i'd wipe it from your mothers chin.

nova1999 : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

nova1999

1 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 19 hours ago...

That about somes up his level of maturity.^^

MixxieTheDude : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

MixxieTheDude

0 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 16 hours ago...

I seriously doubt he is mature... I bet he's like... 16 or something, hence his name cause at that age you can still bluff "Being Ready For War" cause you don't have to worry about keeping your promise anyway.

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

LithuanianLabourer

3 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 12 hours ago...

Well , in my opinion , he is right about punishment for attempt to escape . Imprisonment is a form of punishment society gives a person for not complying with it's laws . If a person does not accept his punishment and tries to evade it , he gets punished for that .

You commit a crime you will get fined . You do not want to pay a fine - you will go to jail . You try to escape - you are not accepting the rules once again , and again you are punished .

I mean , fuck the instincts in the society , it doesn't matter , there are rules we all have comply with . If something is not allowed there has to be a form of punishment . Plus the whole point of "correctional facilities" is that person accepts his punishment and if he cooperates and shows the signs that he learned his lesson , he even might be released earlier . Escape attempt definately conflicts with the whole punishment acceptance thing .

Now if you say that it's prisoners' right to try to escape and and it's prison guards' job to try to stop them , even though they technicaly have their right to attempt escapes , then I guess you you have a point . Except the part ... what right does prison guard have to try to stop prisoner exercising his right ?

MixxieTheDude : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

MixxieTheDude

3 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 10 hours ago...

Like I said, there's a difference between making good use of a given oppertunity and planning escapes ahead maybe even with help.
Someone who sets-up a whole plan to escape will not be considered to have acted upon a moment of instinct... An instinctive-reaction or reflex is for you to hit me back when I strike you in the face, the cops won't likely fine you or arrest you for that. But when you come back later on, maybe with even some extra buddies to beat me up - that'll change the situation.
Same goes for a prisoner - he found a given oppertunity to 'escape' apparently cause this Prison's-walls are made of clay or something... (How else does one scrape a hole through a wall with a butter-knife?)

On top of that, if a prisoner doesn't get 'extra-jail time' on top of his sentence doesn't mean he won't face any consequences... Things like 'parole' will be out of the question, he will ofcourse lose privilliges and he will probably be transferred to an extra-security facillity.
If someone continuesly tries to escape - ofcourse - this most likely deems them to be a threat that can't stick to the rules and laws, ofcourse that will be taken into account once and if there is any possibillity of setting them free.
I just don't think it's justice to give someone extra who made a 'spur of the moment' decision or out of an 'act of desperation' extra jail-time on top of what they already are serving.

The prison guards, the police, anybody has the right to stop them... Because we are 'society' and we have the given right to make them serve their time, but that was never the discussion to begin with?
It's our job to make it impossible for them to get out - it's not their job to stay in...

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

LithuanianLabourer

0 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 9 hours ago...

"I just don't think it's justice to give someone extra who made a 'spur of the moment' decision or out of an 'act of desperation' extra jail-time on top of what they already are serving."

Well , in his case it's not an escape out of prison , because he was put in for psychiatric treatment as a dangerous mental person . How did they put him on trial and gave him two years and two months is a big australian mystery . Is it like : "till he gets well" plus 2 years and 2 months ?

Oops , sorry it's 2 years 2 months and then "till he gets well" . Not much more sense .

It is not injustice , it is idiocy . They charged mental person with an escape out of prison hospital and he pleaded guilty . It is rediculous since he has to be locked , "until government authorities decide he is no longer a public danger" anyway . Basicly they made it so that doctors might consider if he is well only in two years and two months . Stupid .

But generally I think that trying to escape out of prison has to be punished . Allright , maybe more years is not appropriate thing , but at least something unpleasant like no TV or books .

tristen620 : LVL 9: VP 1.8: said:

tristen620

0 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 8 hours ago...

how many cm are in an inch?

LithuanianLabourer : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

LithuanianLabourer

3 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 8 hours ago...

Approx. 2.5 . And go safe , go metric . I hate when one person is measuring in foots and the other in meters on the job . Fuck imperial shit . "Pint" may stay , everything else has to go .

kingduck : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

kingduck

4 votes NegativePositive

1113 days 5 hours ago...

I'm starting to not like READY_FOR_WARs attutide on alot of things..... seems to think that he feels he's better than most people

Pardis : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Pardis

2 votes NegativePositive

1112 days 9 hours ago...

How the hell did he fit through a 15cm hole? ... that's less than 6 inches!

shackle : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

shackle

0 votes NegativePositive

1112 days 8 hours ago...

i <3 the Netherlands.

also just scroll past the trollers looking to piss you off to make a comment about them being a ass. thats how you really beat one of them. they say what they do to get you to say something back

Kerrigan : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

Kerrigan

3 votes NegativePositive

1112 days 4 hours ago...

Somebody's been watching way too much Prison Break

Lunearetic : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

Lunearetic

0 votes NegativePositive

1111 days 3 hours ago...

"i didn't miss the point. he said "He gets extra jail-time for trying to escape?"
yes, a criminal WILL and SHOULD get extra time for trying to escape. he is in jail for commiting a crime and even though he doesn't want to be in jail, there has to be some kind of incentive NOT to escape.
so shut the fuck up Violetninja420 you dumb ass kanadian. "

Ah geez, ready_for_war, your spelling was pretty good until you hit that last word. Your english sounds good, but your geography? Not so much.

Seriously though, it's Canada, Canadian, and Canuck. Spell it right you fuck tard. If you want to get back at someone for spelling your precious America with a k, then go harp them. (Or wherever the hell you come from, I just hope you are one-of-a-kind where you live)

Liranan : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

Liranan

0 votes NegativePositive

1109 days 17 hours ago...

Mixie is right, The Netherlands has many policies and laws which are unique and the 'liberal' policies that we have have made us more open minded than many other countries, and therefor the European Court of Human Rights is in The Hague (as well as in Strassbourg) and so is the International Criminal Court. I am proud of my country because we're not as small minded as other countries though I could pick many faults, something I won't do here.

However I do understand the guy and I wonder whether he escaped because he didn't want to be imprisoned anymore or, as the article says, he was frustrated with the way he was being treated and wanted to draw attention to his situation. It might be the latter as his treatment was (is) no different to the people helf in Guantanamo Bay. He was held because he was supposed to be incapable to stand trial and then he's been sentenced indefinitely and then not treated. I do understand the guy and if he's being treated now then he achieved his aim.

Human nature is human nature and some are acceptable and others are not. Sex is human nature and so is eating as well as seeking shelter. The struggle for these basic needs might lead to murder and eventhough the basic needs are normal, murdering, stealing, etc. are not. But as I said, his goal was probably seeking attention and not freedom itself and thus taking that into account it's not him who should stand trial but the people who were supposed to treat him. That is what would happen in most countries. You comit a crime but they punish your neighbour. In this case the institution/hospital was in the wrong and he gets punished for it.

Shadowsoul27 : LVL 6: VP 1.5: said:

Shadowsoul27

0 votes NegativePositive

1107 days 17 hours ago...

I believe he should be punished for it, like anyone else who tries to get away from what they've done. If you run from the police, they tack on an extra set of time to your sentence because you evaded police. Sometimes criminals make a split second decision to leave when a police officer puts their lights on, and because of this they get extra time. If you fail to abide by the law, which is put into effect in order to keep peace and order, then the law must come down on you and punish you for those crimes. Laws aren't passed by the police. It's not like the police forces just go "hey, we want this law," and it's put into effect. It has to represent the people's wants.

For those places who do have those laws in effect that will not give extra time, then that is the perogative of the people who are citizens in that area. It is not, however, instinct to become free. If you are to look at Maslow's hierarchy of basic needs, which are the primal instincts to which humans follow, the basic, fundamental, instinctual needs consist of..."breathing, food, water, sex, sleep, homeostasis, excretion." The belief in freedom, the fight for it at least, is not a basic, fundamental need of human beings. If this person was being fed, which I'm sure he was, and if he was allowed to excrete, drink, sleep, maintain a healthy status(they have infirmaries in jail systems), and with the exclusion of sex, the man had all his fundamental needs being met. The argument that he was acting on instinct is therefore obsolete. If you want to argue that he wasn't getting sex, and therefore was a breach of fundamental drives, just look at some of the people on here...they probably don't get too much sex, and they're just fine.

The basic judicial system is put into place in order to define and regulate some of the higher needs of a human beings. The idea of freedom is apart of the higher needs of a human beings. Therefore, the punishments involved with a breach of what the people have defined as being the "set of rules," should be punished when done against, and perhaps rewarded when followed(something that isn't usually done, but should be looked into).

sierrabravo : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

sierrabravo

-1 votes NegativePositive

1102 days 12 hours ago...

What a fuckin retard. The biggest flaw in our country's legal system is the fuckin insanity plea. "SierraBravo, do you admit to killing those 23 nuns and 12 jews?" RAAAHHHH I COME FROM LAKE TITICACA! DO YOU HAVE TP? TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE? gimme a fuckin break. Send them to texas and ZAP'EM! ARE YOU THREATENING ME? MY PEOPLE HAVE NO BUNGHOLE!

77534 : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

77534

0 votes NegativePositive

1100 days 6 hours ago...

oh CANADA how i love this land....too bad aboot the country next door

Lukey : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

Lukey

-1 votes NegativePositive

1096 days 17 hours ago...

yuo suck

PainIsOnlyMe : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

PainIsOnlyMe

0 votes NegativePositive

1083 days 22 hours ago...

Someone Really Wanted Out, Almost Wish He Got Away.

eveningstar : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

eveningstar

0 votes NegativePositive

1082 days 23 hours ago...

Imprisonment for the purpose of punishing an individual for something which cannot be proven beyond all doubt to be absolutely immoral is an archaic concept which leads to massive problems. Such as the release of sex abusers when they're still a threat, because they've "served their time" and have been sufficiently punished by having their free agency denied them for so long.

That doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help the community, because there's a predator back on the loose, and it doesn't help the criminal, because they're being locked in a cage for years with the intention of making them suffer.

The justice system should exist to protect the community, the sum of all individuals, by maximising free agency. If someone is threatening this through their actions, then they *need* to be isolated in some manner. They do not *need* to be made to suffer.

I oppose the death penalty because I oppose punishment, I think it barbaric. I support execution because sometimes it's the most logical course of action, the most human course of action, and the course of action which least damages free agency. Prisons are living Hell, no one should be in them unless they choose it over death, and only if they're a threat to other individuals and need to be isolated.

This man should not get more time for trying to escape, he should be let out into the community and freed when we can be reasonably sure that he is not a threat to the community, and not a moment sooner. Or shot in the brainstem, depending upon his decision.

I like what the Netherlands are doing though. Recognising what can or cannot be controlled through threat of punishment. Eventually they might, perhaps, one day, recognise that nothing can be controlled in a 100% predictable fashion through pavlovian attempts at manipulation.

hhsgiant : LVL 9: VP 1.8: said:

hhsgiant

0 votes NegativePositive

1075 days 18 hours ago...

As a detention officer in USA i can say that if you run from the jail i work at you get 6 months and from that point of return you will be in permenent isolation. With no chance of visitations, comencary, or tobacco products. it isnt human nature to run from captivity i work with about 200 inmates regularly and none of them has even showed a sign they would try to escape inmates just wanna get there sentence over with and go home to their family.

eveningstar : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

eveningstar

0 votes NegativePositive

1075 days ago...

"Human nature" cannot be proven or even shown to exist. What is irrefuteably true is that all actions are the result of value conflicts. People value individual items or concepts to individual degrees. All of this causes them to overall value one thing maximally: the freedom to obtain or work towards obtaining that which they value positively. Prison denies people the totality of this freedom, by constraining what can or cannot be achieved or obtained.

There are also temporal factors to consider, which is what hhsgiant is not taking into account. Those "well-behaved" inmates value future long-term freedom *in such a way* as to cause them to be willing to undergo short-term temporary incarceration.

In this man it is clear that in the immediate tense he was unwilling to wait, the craving for the expansion of his short-term freedoms greatly outweighed the consequences for his potential long term future freedom, if they were even a factor (i.e if he was aware at that time that there would be such consequences). You speak of self-control, of willpower. But what is willpower save for an abstraction of certain evaluations? The ability to override such short term drives in order to achieve long term goals, to obtain what one values in the long-term. The outcome of THIS meta-value struggle, the struggle between the values of values, would clearly depend mostly upon the circumstances and factors beyond the control of the individual in question such as genetics and environmental affects on their mind and values.

This cannot be justifiably punished out of someone. Nothing can be. Only observed, documented, discussed and appropriate measures taken to ensure the safety of the community. The community requires freedom, and thus freedom should be maximised.

JustSomeGuy : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

JustSomeGuy

0 votes NegativePositive

1061 days 1 hour ago...

Coo story, terrible comments (excluding any purely informational posts or comments on the actual story). You guys just love to argue for the sake of arguing. The voting system is here to bury comments that the community deem inappropriate in any way. It's NOT here so you can vote down someones comments and STILL continue a 3 page flame war. You already shut him up, you won, go home.

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