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SAN FRANCISCO - It wasn't exactly the ancient siege of Syracuse, but rather a curious quest for scientific validation. According to sparse historical writings, the Greek mathematician Archimedes torched a fleet of invading Roman ships by reflecting the sun's powerful rays with a mirrored device made of glass or bronze.

More than 2,000 years later, researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Arizona set out to recreate Archimedes' fabled death ray Saturday in an experiment sponsored by the Discovery Channel program "MythBusters." Their attempts to set fire to an 80-year-old fishing boat using their own versions of the device, however, failed to either prove or dispel the myth of the solar death ray.

The MIT team's first attempt with their contraption made of 300 square feet of bronze and glass failed to ignite a fire from 150 feet away. It produced smoldering on the boat's wooden surface but no open flame. A second attempt from about 75 feet away lit only a small fire that burned itself out.

Mike Bushroe of the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory tried a mirrored system shaped like flower petals, but it failed to produce either smoke or flames.

Peter Rees, executive producer of "MythBusters," said the experiment showed Archimedes' death ray was most likely a myth.

"We're not saying it can't be done," Rees said. "We're just saying it's extremely impractical as a weapon of war."

The experiment showed it may be technically possible, but didn't answer whether Archimedes used it to destroy enemy ships, MIT Professor David Wallace said.

"Who can say whether Archimedes did it or not?" he said. "He's one of the great mathematical minds in history. I wouldn't want to underestimate his intelligence or ability."

Historical text describes Archimedes defeating a Roman fleet using the ray.

In "Epitome ton Istorion," John Zonaras wrote: "At last in an incredible manner he burned up the whole Roman fleet. For by tilting a kind of mirror toward the sun he concentrated the sun's beam upon it; and owing to the thickness and smoothness of the mirror he ignited the air from this beam and kindled a great flame, the whole of which he directed upon the ships that lay at anchor in the path of the fire, until he consumed them all."

"MythBusters" also tried to recreate the ray last year, and after failing, declared the story a myth.

"If this weapon had worked, it would have been the equivalent of a nuclear weapon in the ancient world," Rees said.

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SamuraiPanda : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

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987 days 2 hours ago...

Freaking sweet? I think so.

assmaster : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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986 days 22 hours ago...

I still think it's possible, they just don't know how to do it yet is all. It's just a matter of engineering.

Scienott (Admin) : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

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986 days 21 hours ago...

It's definitely possible, but imagine how dangerous it'd be if the technology became available to the average Joe.

CancerDancer : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

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986 days 21 hours ago...

Whats the point? They already proved it couldn't be done on Mythbusters. And if we can't do it now with our knowledge of engineering, how do you expect people in ancient times to achieve it?

chinaman1472 : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

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986 days 21 hours ago...

I wonder what they meant in this article then... seeing has it contradicts this article.

http://web.mit.edu/2.009/www/lectures/10_ArchimedesResult.html?kari

rsxdelerium : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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986 days 17 hours ago...

i hate mythbusters. just because they can't do something doesnt mean it can't be done, they aren't everything.

JiveTurkey : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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986 days 16 hours ago...

You know how you make it? Giant Magnifying Glass.

noah : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

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986 days 16 hours ago...

I agree delerium...There is no sense of professionalism on that show. There have been several times that I was left with a feeling of doubt as to their conclutions. I whole heartedly believe that a great mathemetician, no matter the century they were born in, could out wit 2 special FX morons with a TV show.

shrebro : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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985 days 23 hours ago...

Given the fact that romans worshiped various gods, sun, moon etc, such a large mirror would give the effect that the enemy had the sun god on their side, causing a hasty retreat by the romans, and as the victors write the history, why not beef it up a bit :)

shrebro : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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985 days 23 hours ago...

re CancerDancer,, we cant build pyramids

third world kids unite! : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

third world kids unite!

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985 days 22 hours ago...

WHy are you guys believing a TV show?

I think it's possible. Use a huge ray of death to blind/cause a small fire on the enemies...then launch napalm on them suckahs!

Simple math made possible by a math genious.

Nightcrawler13 : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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985 days 21 hours ago...

the egyptians built a pyramid out of millions of tons of stone, you got some builders today and told them to do it, uhhhh, no.

Davoc : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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985 days 15 hours ago...

Mythbusters tryed to show the effects of dropping a human 30 metres onto water and another onto cement. the cement one shattered and they concluded that humans would do the same. that show is a big steaming pile.

chinaman1472 : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

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982 days 10 hours ago...

You guys are missing the point. Doing it is one thing. Making it practical is another.

Comparing the building of the Great Pyramids to Archimedas' Death Ray is stupid. The Egyptians are not under the effects OF WAR to complete the pyramids. No one is attacking the Pyramids as they were building it.

To use the Death Ray under the stress of war would be highly unpractical. It's possible, but you would have to adjust your the rays to a moving target. The math behind it simple. The execution of it is not. Point a flashlight at a moving target and try to keep that flashlight pinpointed on a moving target.

kage_no_shi : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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908 days 10 hours ago...

I've seen the mythbusters one...

It may be possible, even back then, but highly impractical (what if it was cloudy?)

It could be useful as a blinding weapon though, the enemy isn't so terribly dangerous if they are too busy crashing into eachother to attack you ^_^

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