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NASA's top climate scientist explains how the Bush administration censors reports on climate change. The former managing editor in the White House who made the edits turns whistleblower and backs up the claim.

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Mungo9000 : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

Mungo9000

23 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 22 hours ago...

BBC Panorama:
Global Warming - Bush's Climate Of Fear

This documentary investigates allegations that American climate scientists are censored by the Bush administration and that the administration systematically lies to the American public.
The documentary features some very important names such as the head of NASA, the head of NOAA, the former head of the World Bank's science comittee and White House whistleblowers.
They all claim that the American people are deliberately misled, but this is perhaps the first time that so many important and credible figures appear on the same platform.

There is no way in hell this documentary will ever be shown in America.

-----------------------------------------------

I've posted this after the success of the "Global Dimming" videos.
If this video gets enough positive response and enough people want it, I'll post the full documentary.

darthmaximillian : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

darthmaximillian

18 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 21 hours ago...

5/5 for BBC broaadcasting truth. You might as well go ahead and upload the rest Mungo.

and while I'm at it, a 1/5 for all those voting 1/5 without watching this, because you little bush monkey lovers don't want to hear that truth.

Here's to hoping that all you little neo-cons who don't believe the ozone layer is more important than filling up the gas tank of your new SUV, get melanoma skin cancer and die. painfully.

Mungo9000 : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

Mungo9000

10 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 21 hours ago...

^@darthmaximillian - "Thank you"

Thanks darth. Personally, I try not to get too upset with the "Bush monkeys" - they know not what they do. - Instead, I try to be polite and offer them videos like this one.

The reason the "Bush Monkeys" don't understand is because in America they get distorted media. Every country in the world knows about climate change. And every government in the world knows about climate change. - The only exception is the present White House administration.

The reason we have "Bush Monkeys" is because they aren't getting the BASIC SCIENCE that the rest of the world gets. - That's why I'm so patient. The other day I had some guy telling me global warming was caused by magnetic fields rather than green house gasses. - He's wrong. But I think it's better to try and offer a sensible real-science alternative than to explode in his face and polarize the debate.

shitfritter : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

shitfritter

Hidden (Show Comment) -8 votes

1210 days 21 hours ago...

I'm not so sure about all this environmental alarmism. I just read the Michael Crichton book, state of fear, which deals with this topic and cites a lot of information that disputes 'global warming' as a phenomena. I checked the resources, and hence the scientist it cites and, well, I used to think differently about this whole issue than I now do. Even the Al Gore documentary, 'an inconvenient truth', doesn't worry me as much as it might have done, not so long ago. But saying that I don't buy into this whole global warming affair, doesn't mean I'm against minimising, if not, eradicating pollution and detrimental actions by humans on our environment.

darthmaximillian : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

darthmaximillian

5 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 20 hours ago...

^
That viewpoint is perfectly understandable. Science is a continually evolving process of questioning what we think we understand and continually revising what we believe to be fact.

However, trivializing this issue to mere politics and saying that environmentalists are being "Alarmists" is both condescending and obtuse. The problems facing our environment are some of the most important issues we face today. To minimalize the evidence pointing to global warming, or the evidence that refutes it, and say that it is some sort of made up "liberal" or "Enviro-whacko" issue is absolutely preposterous. But that is exactly what is being done by not only the American governement and the Bush administration through their echo boxes at Fox news, and the mainstream media, but by the average citizen who has no scientific background what so ever, but who will accept whatever their goverrnment tells them as "fact."

I don't mind people that question the evidence of global warming or global dimming, but to flat out deny the evidence of it happening all together is astoundingly ignorant.

This planet is our home, and people that do not understand that doing our damndest to ensure that we human beings as a species will always have this earth as our home, are really doing themselves and everyone else a horrible disservice.

Personally I would like to know that I am not createing a problem that future generations will look back at and blame on my own ignorance or unwillingness to change an obviously bad course of habitual behavior.

It is really that simple.

xandros : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

xandros

5 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 19 hours ago...

^^^^nice to see there are great guys on spiked, i wish everyone could at least try to be a bit greener, i think if people realised how much nicer the world could be without cars everywhere, and taking the train instead or using a bike sigh..

carefaktor : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

carefaktor

3 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 16 hours ago...

It is beyond me that people can be so ignorant about the environment and how much it is taken advantage of. What good is it to mislead the public on such an important matter? It's not like we can pack our shit up and move to another planet. Ignorance is bliss until it's too late.

PorridgeGun : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

PorridgeGun

-2 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 16 hours ago...

"What good is it to mislead the public on such an important matter?"

$

carefaktor : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

carefaktor

4 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 15 hours ago...

no planet = no $

Wr3ck #8 : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Wr3ck #8

Hidden (Show Comment) -11 votes

1210 days 13 hours ago...

no $ = no planet
no oil = no $

darthmaximillian : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

darthmaximillian

2 votes NegativePositive

1210 days 7 hours ago...

^
You know it's funny you have all those points and will more than likely be banned eventually by Sci.

Get in all the "Byah!"s you can moron.

Bamont : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

Bamont

Hidden (Show Comment) -13 votes

1204 days 1 hour ago...

OMG! Someone who got fired is now speaking out against the Administration that fired him! He can't be pissed at all! He must be telling the truth!

My ass.

SqueakyMouse : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

SqueakyMouse

4 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 1 hour ago...

Full documentary please.

Suppressing this sort of information is beyond disgusting. The american people should not have to rely on the internet to get both sides of the story. The situation is made worse still when respectable academics cannot get their voices heard after long scientific study.

Mungo9000 : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Mungo9000

3 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 1 hour ago...

^@Bamont

Niether of these guys got sacked. Hanson was threatened with being sacked if he spoke out on climate change - he went public with the story and his bosses backed down. He is still the top climate scientist at NASA.
The editor claims he quit his post out of disgust for the current White House policy to decieve the public.

Havoclivekiller : LVL 5: VP 1.4: said:

Havoclivekiller

2 votes NegativePositive

1204 days ago...

Until US have Bush as president and other heads of countries... will listen to the most idiotic president. We are on our way to destruction.

venomhed : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

venomhed

Hidden (Show Comment) -8 votes

1203 days 23 hours ago...

BITCH ALL YOU WANT.

AGAIN NOTHING WILL CHANGE. NOTHING.

winters : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

winters

6 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 23 hours ago...

How many years will the world have to pay for the americans voteing Bush in?

Twice.....

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

5 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 23 hours ago...

People obviously have a pretty big effect on the environment and it amazing me when people such as the bush administration refuse to acknowledge it. If people dont admit this we are going to be in huge trouble. It will be sad when the day comes and we realize our species is toast, I just hope the cause wont be something as silly as refusal to minimize pollutants. Even if global warming ISNT a real threat right now, doesnt it make sense to minimize pollutants in general in order to maintain the cleanest and most enjoyable environment as possible? You cannot change things overnight, should we suddenly realize we have to drastically change our energy policy we would surely be screwed.

We do have the technology to abandon gasoline powered cars (will still need it for fertilizers, plastics, etc). While this would help drastically lower c02 emissions, a conversion to cars running on hydrogen fuel cells or supercapacitors/batteries would take years, if not decades. The problem would be generating all the electricity needed to power these vehicles in addition to building the means of transporting this power across the country (the north american power grid is near the breaking point as is). Realistically the only form of power generation robust enough to allow such a thing is nuclear power. Now with all of the stigma against nuclear power (despite being one of the cleanest ways to generate electricity), it would be difficult to concieve widespread construction of dozens, or perhaps hundreds, of new nuclear plants. Not to mention finding enough nuclear specialists to safely run these installations as well as a skyrocket of uranium costs due to increased demand.

Of course, if you want to talk about electricity there are all sorts of things that can be done such as retrofitting, construction of ecoparks, home outfitting with generation technology, etc. However, even after all conservation steps are taken we would still need to step up power generation to meet energy needs. That 1000 mile caesar salad isnt going to get itself to your supermarket.

So to conclude, were stuck with what we have right now but if were serious about maintaining a sustainable environment we have to begin revising our energy policies as soon as possible.

/end rant

Webzone50 : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

Webzone50

6 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 22 hours ago...

Bush didn't sign into the Kyoto Treaty for clean air. Watch the Telsa-Motors company get shut down because their cars are electro-carbon based and aren't run on oil. From what I heard, anyone that develops something to enhance clear air in the U.S. is jailed. Even Republicans such as Michael Savage are claiming that Bush is the WORST U.S. president EVER! "He makes my toes curl and spine shiver everytime he speaks with his incompetence" - Savage

Again I'll spam this throughout Yahoo Chat, Mungo9000, to spread the word.

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 22 hours ago...

Just the united states uses appoximately 320,500,000 gallons of gasoline (not oil) per day (March 2005). Now one cup of gasoline contains 8 MJ of energy. 1 gallon = 16 cups. Therefore there is 128 MJ of energy in a gallon of gasoline. This means
4,102,000,000 MJ of energy is combusted each day. With 24 hours/day *60 minutes/hour * 60 seconds per minute, this means 474,815 MJ/s (=MW) is needed.

Assuming the same efficiency, it would be expected that the same energy use would be needed to maintain current lifestyles after transfer from internal combustion to hydrogen or electric energy storage (gasoline is also an energy storage medium). Now a modern nuclear reactor can output something like 600 MW of electricity. This means we would need 791 nuclear reactors running to replace our gasoline consumption.

Replacing gasoline will not be simple.

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 22 hours ago...

Now, you can obtain roughly 30% efficiency from combustion of gasoline (chemical energy to kinetic energy). Batteries are approximately 66% efficient but are heavier than fuel cells, meaning you will need more energy to move your car. Hydrogen fuel cells are approximately 44% efficient (hydrolysis-> reverse hydrolysis). Being generous, lets assume twice the efficiency. You would still need up to 400 nuclear reactors. Now there are only about 440 nuclear reactors in the world right now, so we would need to double that number, just to produce enough power for the united states.

So is conversion possible? Yes, but it will be astoundingly expensive and take decades to build all necessary installations.

All these calculations are simple and can be repeated yourself with easily googled statistics. I hope this illuminates some of the difficulty we will be facing as a society as oil supplies continue to deplete.

uhhhh.. : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

uhhhh..

-2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 22 hours ago...

I do think we're polluting the hell out the Earth, but I doubt it's truly having an affect on global temperatures. The Earth goes through a cycle which happens every 25,000 years where it heats up for a few decades and is then followed by a cold period. My guess is that it's all a scam to make us believe we are responsible for the Earth's climate (we actually are responsible for the pollution though) and will easily get all of us around the world to submit to paying a global-warming tax to the UN.

Jack_Scarecrow : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

Jack_Scarecrow

-3 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 22 hours ago...

uhm you guys all know that valcano erruptions pollute more gas within one erruption than we do in an entire year? or more?

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 21 hours ago...

^Check your facts bud. Volcanic eruptions release approximately 1% of the CO2 humans produce in a year. Now SO2 may be a different story, but that is because of anti pollution initiatives. Typically, especially in coal plants, escaping vapor must be filtered to remove as much SO2 and other impurities as possible, to prevent acid rain and such. Regardless of whether thats true or not, it doesnt mean we shouldnt try to minimize the amount of pollution we actually have control over.

samsonl310 : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

samsonl310

0 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 21 hours ago...

uhhhhh...... Im with you on that .. and ive thought about that many times.. In other words what other "tax" or money scam can they put on us..:P
This world has been here before us, and it will last after us...When the next so called Ice age comes, maybe then it will be cleaned/pollution free..:)

Jeff_from_MD : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

Jeff_from_MD

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 21 hours ago...

Jack_Scarecrow - "uhm you guys all know that valcano erruptions pollute more gas within one erruption than we do in an entire year? or more?"

^----one volcanic eruption can spew out as much pollutants as the whole world can produce.....for one day. Not for the whole year like you sometimes hear, which shows how easy it is to mistakenly lose facts by word of mouth over the internet.

eyespy : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

eyespy

5 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 21 hours ago...

^ and even then, the volcano eruption is something we have no control over. we DO have control over the pollution we create. rationalizing it by showing a natural example of something with the same effect is like rationalizing the holocaust by saying "oh those jews were going to die anyway. don't blame us for doing nature's work"

lie and die. ehhehehe

Post your Comments : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Post your Comments

-1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 20 hours ago...

Say what you say about "bush monkey's" but the majority of the educated east and west coast citizens of the US know for a fact global warming exists. I don't know anyone that refutes that possibility. However do try to remember that the UK is also vastly smaller than the US, both industrially and size wise. If you want to point fingers at green house gas producers, look at Russia, China, India, and other developing nations. Although I'm not saying that the US is not wrong in their approach to the global warming crisis, there are other countries that hold a lot more responsibility for the crisis than America.

Of course most of the idiots that continue the America bashing will just continue to find ammunition in their ignorant struggle.

mr_owen : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

mr_owen

3 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 16 hours ago...

^I'm an American, I can't say that any country holds more blame than America. I live in Kansas, you know how many people I've heard refute Global Warming? Here, global warming DOESN'T exist in everyone's minds, and it makes me sick. But arguing with them is like arguing a brick wall. You won't get anywhere.

winters : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

winters

4 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 15 hours ago...

How can it exsit when "fair and Balanced" "news" teams like Fox News hire pundants to "prove" it doesn't???

I wont believe it exsits untill O'reily tells me to shut up for saying it doesn't.

uknugget : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

uknugget

1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 15 hours ago...

Mr_Owen: I am sorry to hear that your fellow countrymen are so dim. Perhaps you could enlighten those who refute observable evidence by asking them to participate in a simple experiment on the effects of petrochemical pollution in a closed atmospheric system. Ask the person who doesn't believe he/she is causing harm to park his/her car inside a tightly closed garage, turn the engine on, and observe what happens for 3.5 hours. If they survive the experiment, I will personally visit them to apologise for making a fuss about the damage we are doing to the planet by burning fossil fuels. :)

Mungo9000: I missed this Panorama episode so I'd be grateful if you could upload the full documentary.

All the best.

fakey123 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

fakey123

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 12 hours ago...

Torrent here http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/756663/BBC_Bushs_Climate_Of_Fear_You_Won_
t_See_This_On_US_TV_2006

roti : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

roti

-1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 12 hours ago...

wow.. the US alone contributes 25% of the world's greenhouse gases.
then again, what are we to expect from a country where it is the norm for every household to own at least 1 (fuel guzzling) SUV?

@Mungo9000
nice one. feel free to upload some more on this, dude :)

CrUnKjUicE44 : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

CrUnKjUicE44

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 11 hours ago...

yea upload more get the word out

br[OWN]ie : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

br[OWN]ie

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 9 hours ago...

god dam stupid bush administration

Yume_Ryuu : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Yume_Ryuu

2 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 5 hours ago...

Mungo, where can I get the full documentary? I am really interested in the topic of Global Warming and will watch anything about it that I can get my hands on.
5/5, even though its short, its an informative clip.

nova1999 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

nova1999

0 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 3 hours ago...

If you think a significant number of people down vote this article because of pro bush sentiment you are a fool smarten up and get a better argument. Stupid comments like that make me pro Bush bitches.

If you don't like it dummy up and be smart or at least try.

laribo : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

laribo

1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days 1 hour ago...

Mungo for president!

CommandoChicken : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

CommandoChicken

-1 votes NegativePositive

1203 days ago...

Americia is a bunch of idiots lead by idiots who employ intelligent administration staff. Just have to speak to an average Americian to observe the closed mindedness and misbelief.

tommythecat86 : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

tommythecat86

1 votes NegativePositive

1200 days 5 hours ago...

^.....look at your comment.......and we're the idiots? This seems to happen a lot.

1). It is true that the Earth has ALWAYS had major climate changes. These were not caused by the Bush Administration...I can assure you (though I'm sure some of you believe otherwise...atleast you would if the BBC told you so). It is part of the earths cycle.

NOW, that having been said.

2) IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT OUR CONSTANT AND ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY ABUSE OF OUR PLANET HAS FOR DAMN SURE SPED THAT PROCESS UP!....for fucks sake...there is a hole in the ozone layer...it amazes me that some of you are not a little nervous about that.

How is it that there is so much attention paid to the war (which in my opinion is far from being a black and white issue..to believe it is shows a superior form of ignorance) and hardly any attention paid to the fact that BUSH DID NOT SIGN KYOTO....UNACCEPTABLE!

BUSH HAS SET US BACK YEARS IN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION!
To be fair though, we are all a little to blame for the state of our planet. It is easy to point at Bush and say HE is the culprit, but the truth is...we're all a little to blame.

The question is....are we all ready to make a change?

VIVA LA (R)EVOLUTION!!!!

syphalis : LVL 7: VP 1.6: said:

syphalis

0 votes NegativePositive

1186 days 7 hours ago...

ALL THE COMMENTS THAT GET BURIED, ARE ACTUALLY WORTH READING.

EG. from wr3ck #8
no gas = no money.

This and the other buried represent the mentalities we are up against. These people are not only afraid to look at facts, but also to challenge old ways of thinking. no gas = no money is a current mentality, not a FACT. It's changeable if we use ingenuity, common sense, and take responsibility for our actions.

It's hard not to politicise it when no "gas = no money" lobbyists are fighting harder than the environmentally concerned.

But we don't get anywhere politicising... we need to start with the basic question: is the earth's health a priority to you? Then look at the facts, look at our implication, and then find and implement alternatives.

If we can't agree on the first question, then I agree... viva la revolution!!

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