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Bush's Climate Of Fear (Report Editing)

NASA's top climate scientist explains how the Bush administration censors reports on climate change. The former managing editor in the White House who made the edits turns whistleblower and backs up the claim.

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venomhed : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

venomhed

Hidden (Show Comment) -8 votes

1204 days 17 hours ago...

BITCH ALL YOU WANT.

AGAIN NOTHING WILL CHANGE. NOTHING.

winters : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

winters

6 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 16 hours ago...

How many years will the world have to pay for the americans voteing Bush in?

Twice.....

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

5 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 16 hours ago...

People obviously have a pretty big effect on the environment and it amazing me when people such as the bush administration refuse to acknowledge it. If people dont admit this we are going to be in huge trouble. It will be sad when the day comes and we realize our species is toast, I just hope the cause wont be something as silly as refusal to minimize pollutants. Even if global warming ISNT a real threat right now, doesnt it make sense to minimize pollutants in general in order to maintain the cleanest and most enjoyable environment as possible? You cannot change things overnight, should we suddenly realize we have to drastically change our energy policy we would surely be screwed.

We do have the technology to abandon gasoline powered cars (will still need it for fertilizers, plastics, etc). While this would help drastically lower c02 emissions, a conversion to cars running on hydrogen fuel cells or supercapacitors/batteries would take years, if not decades. The problem would be generating all the electricity needed to power these vehicles in addition to building the means of transporting this power across the country (the north american power grid is near the breaking point as is). Realistically the only form of power generation robust enough to allow such a thing is nuclear power. Now with all of the stigma against nuclear power (despite being one of the cleanest ways to generate electricity), it would be difficult to concieve widespread construction of dozens, or perhaps hundreds, of new nuclear plants. Not to mention finding enough nuclear specialists to safely run these installations as well as a skyrocket of uranium costs due to increased demand.

Of course, if you want to talk about electricity there are all sorts of things that can be done such as retrofitting, construction of ecoparks, home outfitting with generation technology, etc. However, even after all conservation steps are taken we would still need to step up power generation to meet energy needs. That 1000 mile caesar salad isnt going to get itself to your supermarket.

So to conclude, were stuck with what we have right now but if were serious about maintaining a sustainable environment we have to begin revising our energy policies as soon as possible.

/end rant

Webzone50 : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

Webzone50

6 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 16 hours ago...

Bush didn't sign into the Kyoto Treaty for clean air. Watch the Telsa-Motors company get shut down because their cars are electro-carbon based and aren't run on oil. From what I heard, anyone that develops something to enhance clear air in the U.S. is jailed. Even Republicans such as Michael Savage are claiming that Bush is the WORST U.S. president EVER! "He makes my toes curl and spine shiver everytime he speaks with his incompetence" - Savage

Again I'll spam this throughout Yahoo Chat, Mungo9000, to spread the word.

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

2 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 16 hours ago...

Just the united states uses appoximately 320,500,000 gallons of gasoline (not oil) per day (March 2005). Now one cup of gasoline contains 8 MJ of energy. 1 gallon = 16 cups. Therefore there is 128 MJ of energy in a gallon of gasoline. This means
4,102,000,000 MJ of energy is combusted each day. With 24 hours/day *60 minutes/hour * 60 seconds per minute, this means 474,815 MJ/s (=MW) is needed.

Assuming the same efficiency, it would be expected that the same energy use would be needed to maintain current lifestyles after transfer from internal combustion to hydrogen or electric energy storage (gasoline is also an energy storage medium). Now a modern nuclear reactor can output something like 600 MW of electricity. This means we would need 791 nuclear reactors running to replace our gasoline consumption.

Replacing gasoline will not be simple.

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

1 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 16 hours ago...

Now, you can obtain roughly 30% efficiency from combustion of gasoline (chemical energy to kinetic energy). Batteries are approximately 66% efficient but are heavier than fuel cells, meaning you will need more energy to move your car. Hydrogen fuel cells are approximately 44% efficient (hydrolysis-> reverse hydrolysis). Being generous, lets assume twice the efficiency. You would still need up to 400 nuclear reactors. Now there are only about 440 nuclear reactors in the world right now, so we would need to double that number, just to produce enough power for the united states.

So is conversion possible? Yes, but it will be astoundingly expensive and take decades to build all necessary installations.

All these calculations are simple and can be repeated yourself with easily googled statistics. I hope this illuminates some of the difficulty we will be facing as a society as oil supplies continue to deplete.

uhhhh.. : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

uhhhh..

-2 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 15 hours ago...

I do think we're polluting the hell out the Earth, but I doubt it's truly having an affect on global temperatures. The Earth goes through a cycle which happens every 25,000 years where it heats up for a few decades and is then followed by a cold period. My guess is that it's all a scam to make us believe we are responsible for the Earth's climate (we actually are responsible for the pollution though) and will easily get all of us around the world to submit to paying a global-warming tax to the UN.

Jack_Scarecrow : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

Jack_Scarecrow

-3 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 15 hours ago...

uhm you guys all know that valcano erruptions pollute more gas within one erruption than we do in an entire year? or more?

Burden : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Burden

2 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 15 hours ago...

^Check your facts bud. Volcanic eruptions release approximately 1% of the CO2 humans produce in a year. Now SO2 may be a different story, but that is because of anti pollution initiatives. Typically, especially in coal plants, escaping vapor must be filtered to remove as much SO2 and other impurities as possible, to prevent acid rain and such. Regardless of whether thats true or not, it doesnt mean we shouldnt try to minimize the amount of pollution we actually have control over.

samsonl310 : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

samsonl310

0 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 15 hours ago...

uhhhhh...... Im with you on that .. and ive thought about that many times.. In other words what other "tax" or money scam can they put on us..:P
This world has been here before us, and it will last after us...When the next so called Ice age comes, maybe then it will be cleaned/pollution free..:)

Jeff_from_MD : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

Jeff_from_MD

2 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 15 hours ago...

Jack_Scarecrow - "uhm you guys all know that valcano erruptions pollute more gas within one erruption than we do in an entire year? or more?"

^----one volcanic eruption can spew out as much pollutants as the whole world can produce.....for one day. Not for the whole year like you sometimes hear, which shows how easy it is to mistakenly lose facts by word of mouth over the internet.






eyespy : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

eyespy

5 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 14 hours ago...

^ and even then, the volcano eruption is something we have no control over. we DO have control over the pollution we create. rationalizing it by showing a natural example of something with the same effect is like rationalizing the holocaust by saying "oh those jews were going to die anyway. don't blame us for doing nature's work"

lie and die. ehhehehe

Post your Comments : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Post your Comments

-1 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 14 hours ago...

Say what you say about "bush monkey's" but the majority of the educated east and west coast citizens of the US know for a fact global warming exists. I don't know anyone that refutes that possibility. However do try to remember that the UK is also vastly smaller than the US, both industrially and size wise. If you want to point fingers at green house gas producers, look at Russia, China, India, and other developing nations. Although I'm not saying that the US is not wrong in their approach to the global warming crisis, there are other countries that hold a lot more responsibility for the crisis than America.

Of course most of the idiots that continue the America bashing will just continue to find ammunition in their ignorant struggle.

mr_owen : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

mr_owen

3 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 9 hours ago...

^I'm an American, I can't say that any country holds more blame than America. I live in Kansas, you know how many people I've heard refute Global Warming? Here, global warming DOESN'T exist in everyone's minds, and it makes me sick. But arguing with them is like arguing a brick wall. You won't get anywhere.

winters : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

winters

4 votes NegativePositive

1204 days 9 hours ago...

How can it exsit when "fair and Balanced" "news" teams like Fox News hire pundants to "prove" it doesn't???

I wont believe it exsits untill O'reily tells me to shut up for saying it doesn't.

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