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The beginning of the Daily Show's Evolution Week.

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Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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897 days 1 hour ago...

I don't understand why all Jon Stewart clips are not 5.00!!
Brilliant man... 5/5

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Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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897 days ago...

I can see this turning into an evolution vs. science debate just like the "Atheist's Nightmare" clip, so here are some points:

The delimma of science vs religion only exists in Christianity. I was brought up in a very religious family and a very scientific one. And the way I was brought up and taught, I always saw (and still see) religion and science complement each other not contradict one another. There are numerous references in the Quran which glorify the scientific and artistic inclinations of God's creation, that always awe me. I bet you can google most of the specific references.

All atheists, who like condemning people who believe in God, don't generalize all believers as being christian fundametalists. There are other more sensible religions as well as more sensible logical believers of each religion. I do believe in God, but I am not a creationist (Actually I have a degree in physics, I am very science minded). I believe in evolution, it glorifies God and does not contradicts Him.

"Do not the non-believers see that the universe was compacted together (as one unit of creation), before we clove it asunder? And We brought forth from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran, 21:30)

This takes care of the Big Bang theory and Evolution in ONE SINGLE VERSE... Do NOT condemn the faithful believer of God for the idiocies of the fundamentals. God believes in evolution, He CREATED it!!! Why are the fundamentalists so intent on creationism? They follow the 'holy scriptures' that were compiled by the Pagans. Research into the history of the Bible and you'll see who wrote it. BBC actually has a documentary entitled "Who wrote the Bible"

As far as my religion and I are concerned, religion and science go hand in hand. I doubt I can say that for most religions.

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selfworm : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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897 days ago...

""Do not the non-believers see that the universe was compacted together (as one unit of creation), before we clove it asunder? And We brought forth from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran, 21:30)"

Well don't convert just yet, this contradicts 41:11 "Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

So was God calling them together or ripping them apart? In the process of the of creation of heaven and earth they were first apart and are called to come together 41:11, while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.

"The delimma of science vs religion only exists in Christianity"
Not necessarily, depends on the Church, the Pope said on evolution, that it is "as an effectively proven fact."
And Christianity is not the only religion which has this dilemma.
This is from: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=255

"if 'evolution' implies that man is actually an evolved form of a certain other creature, then Islam does not affirm such a standpoint. According to the Qur'an, Adam (pbuh) - the first man - was a direct creation of God, as a man. The Qur'an does not support that Adam evolved from another species."
So Islam also has a problem with evolution.

And BTW, I'm atheist. :)

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selfworm : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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896 days 23 hours ago...

And there is even more BS from the Quran: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/041.qmt.html
NOTE: The names in front of the text are the names of different translators.

"041.009
YUSUFALI: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.

041.010
YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
PICKTHAL: He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
SHAKIR: And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.

041.011
YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
PICKTHAL: Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
SHAKIR: Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly""

So the Earth was created in 2 days?
And the Easrth was assembled before the rest of the universe?
Bahahahahaha

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cornfight : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

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896 days 23 hours ago...

Who gives a fuk we're here and we've got beer.

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cybercat777 : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

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896 days 23 hours ago...

Evolution is a scientific term that describes the effects of environment and experience over linear time. It does not "deny creationism".

In fact, in Darwin's own theory of evolution, he states that "..if someday it should be shown that an organism exists with mechanisms that cannot be reduced to simpler mechanisms, it would prove that I am a fool and my theory is bunk." (I'm paraphrasing, obviously.)

Well, science has found a biological system with irreducible parts that basically proves the idea of creationism, or rather, that some "conscious intelligence" is behind the creation of at least some forms of life on this planet.

Of course, natural selection and heredity still apply, even to a created being, thus creationsim and evolution are not opposed ideas, but rather complimentary in nature.

Now go out and research the Mandelbrot set fractal and see how "god" created free will and everything imaginable in nature with one simple eqation... have fun kiddies!

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Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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896 days 22 hours ago...

@selfworm
Even though I was trying to make a case for evolution not Islam, I feel obliged to answer your challenge.

41:11 is consistent with cosmology and astronomy as accepted by physicists today. The formation of planets and stars was not a one-step process. The Big Bang was the first thing that happened, not the only thing. There were subsequent collisions, fusions, annihilations, and further 'bangs'. My purpose was not to convert people, just make atheists more tolerant towards theists, and theist fundamentalists more tolerant towards science.

In fact most of modern science has its roots in the Quran, since renaissance sprang from moorish introduction of science to europe.

As for your second post, you are taking 'days' literally, I do know for a fact that 41:10 refers to the four seasons (hence the nourishment and proportions). The 'two days' again refers to day and night, light and dark, good and evil, the duality. It is a recurring theme and very contextual, taking it stand-alone is misleading, so please don't quote out of context.

Again, I am not here to defend my religion, so there is no point asking further questions, just research them, there are plenty of websites that'll do that.

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dapjang : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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896 days 19 hours ago...

how about the part in the Quaran where it tells you to kill people? Lets just remember that "christians" thought the earth was flat sooo...... :-/

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MadDictator : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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896 days 19 hours ago...

lets all write long comments because we all can be bothered reading something that has been pasted and copyed

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SamuraiPanda : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

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896 days 18 hours ago...

I applaud this debate. While I am not well-versed in the Quaran, I thoroughly enjoy seeing two people able to debate in an unbiased manner with religion and science.

If there were more people like you guys, maybe America would finally be able to move forward, instead of debating if gay people are truly human beings or if we should allow companies to control the internet.

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qwertyboyo : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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896 days 18 hours ago...

There's nothing in the Quran that states that muslims should kill people and saying about BS in the quran is just plain stupid. If you find it hard to believe that means you dont have faith in it. If you're christian, how did you felt when Da Vinci code came out? didnt it questioned christinity? sorry if i should raise some issues or something, i'm not trying to make a problem here. All i'm saying is that in every religion, you should just have faith in your own religion and dont question other peoples faith.

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aquaman : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

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896 days 18 hours ago...

Whats the point? No one is going to resolve the arguement for or against evolution/creationism on a small internet comments page. Why bother?

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TheTamster : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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896 days 18 hours ago...

you see IMO religion is plain and simple, CONTROL nothing else, thats it hands down.If it was indeed true, the religious groups would allow and accept scientific studies into the exsitence of god, or they would atleast try to further they'r understanding of god by searching for answers and not neccesarily proof but atleast some truth.

BUT they dont, they will accept nothing other than what is written in an ancient book wich we already know was edited, selectively by the people in power at the time, (dont beleive me look it up before saying shit)

Religion is nothing more than control, this is apparent in mulsim conroled countries and ofcourse america, they need this control because, lets face it, we the people could rise up at ANYTIME and take the power from these greedy men, but we dont,why, well some of us dont cos we think it cant be done, and the rest dont because they believe it would go against god! as for us who have our heads out of our asses long enough to see whats happening, we cant do shit because we'll become devil worshipers and more importantly TERRORISTS.

God is and always has been a pipe dream, created to make us beleive there is punishment that we can never escape, this in turn kept us straight and made us follow and beleive those in power because they where doing "gods work"

The moral here really is to think for youself,research yourslefs and find you own answers, if you beleive in god that is your choice, and there certainly is nothing wrong in having faith in something especially if it make you a good person, but it is becoming something more sinister and if yal dont get you heads out your ass's well be some serious trouble,

wow, sorry bout that got my first good night sleep in a while, my brains working again.......lol
clip was good by the way!!!llol

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Doqaz : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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896 days 18 hours ago...

Great show.

"Whats the point? No one is going to resolve the arguement for or against evolution/creationism on a small internet comments page. Why bother?"

Well at least people will be better informed and might be able to make a stronger point against creationism. The right comment in the right eyes might create a right reaction.

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Raz : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

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896 days 17 hours ago...

Denial of evolution through blind faith is nothing more then an example of mankind sticking it's head into the sand because it is more comfortable that way.

Take it out, look around, and accept the truth.

(AND I believe in God. Would you imagine that? Tell me i'm going to hell. I dare you.)

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