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The beginning of the Daily Show's Evolution Week.

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Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Strider

15 votes NegativePositive

1257 days ago...

I don't understand why all Jon Stewart clips are not 5.00!!
Brilliant man... 5/5

Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Strider

11 votes NegativePositive

1257 days ago...

I can see this turning into an evolution vs. science debate just like the "Atheist's Nightmare" clip, so here are some points:

The delimma of science vs religion only exists in Christianity. I was brought up in a very religious family and a very scientific one. And the way I was brought up and taught, I always saw (and still see) religion and science complement each other not contradict one another. There are numerous references in the Quran which glorify the scientific and artistic inclinations of God's creation, that always awe me. I bet you can google most of the specific references.

All atheists, who like condemning people who believe in God, don't generalize all believers as being christian fundametalists. There are other more sensible religions as well as more sensible logical believers of each religion. I do believe in God, but I am not a creationist (Actually I have a degree in physics, I am very science minded). I believe in evolution, it glorifies God and does not contradicts Him.

"Do not the non-believers see that the universe was compacted together (as one unit of creation), before we clove it asunder? And We brought forth from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran, 21:30)

This takes care of the Big Bang theory and Evolution in ONE SINGLE VERSE... Do NOT condemn the faithful believer of God for the idiocies of the fundamentals. God believes in evolution, He CREATED it!!! Why are the fundamentalists so intent on creationism? They follow the 'holy scriptures' that were compiled by the Pagans. Research into the history of the Bible and you'll see who wrote it. BBC actually has a documentary entitled "Who wrote the Bible"

As far as my religion and I are concerned, religion and science go hand in hand. I doubt I can say that for most religions.

selfworm : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

selfworm

5 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 23 hours ago...

""Do not the non-believers see that the universe was compacted together (as one unit of creation), before we clove it asunder? And We brought forth from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran, 21:30)"

Well don't convert just yet, this contradicts 41:11 "Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

So was God calling them together or ripping them apart? In the process of the of creation of heaven and earth they were first apart and are called to come together 41:11, while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.

"The delimma of science vs religion only exists in Christianity"
Not necessarily, depends on the Church, the Pope said on evolution, that it is "as an effectively proven fact."
And Christianity is not the only religion which has this dilemma.
This is from: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=255





"if 'evolution' implies that man is actually an evolved form of a certain other creature, then Islam does not affirm such a standpoint. According to the Qur'an, Adam (pbuh) - the first man - was a direct creation of God, as a man. The Qur'an does not support that Adam evolved from another species."
So Islam also has a problem with evolution.

And BTW, I'm atheist. :)

selfworm : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

selfworm

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 23 hours ago...

And there is even more BS from the Quran: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/041.qmt.html
NOTE: The names in front of the text are the names of different translators.

"041.009
YUSUFALI: Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.

041.010
YUSUFALI: He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).
PICKTHAL: He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
SHAKIR: And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.

041.011
YUSUFALI: Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
PICKTHAL: Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient.
SHAKIR: Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly""


So the Earth was created in 2 days?
And the Easrth was assembled before the rest of the universe?
Bahahahahaha

cornfight : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

cornfight

24 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 23 hours ago...

Who gives a fuk we're here and we've got beer.

cybercat777 : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

cybercat777

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1256 days 23 hours ago...

Evolution is a scientific term that describes the effects of environment and experience over linear time. It does not "deny creationism".

In fact, in Darwin's own theory of evolution, he states that "..if someday it should be shown that an organism exists with mechanisms that cannot be reduced to simpler mechanisms, it would prove that I am a fool and my theory is bunk." (I'm paraphrasing, obviously.)

Well, science has found a biological system with irreducible parts that basically proves the idea of creationism, or rather, that some "conscious intelligence" is behind the creation of at least some forms of life on this planet.

Of course, natural selection and heredity still apply, even to a created being, thus creationsim and evolution are not opposed ideas, but rather complimentary in nature.

Now go out and research the Mandelbrot set fractal and see how "god" created free will and everything imaginable in nature with one simple eqation... have fun kiddies!

Strider : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

Strider

4 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 22 hours ago...

@selfworm
Even though I was trying to make a case for evolution not Islam, I feel obliged to answer your challenge.

41:11 is consistent with cosmology and astronomy as accepted by physicists today. The formation of planets and stars was not a one-step process. The Big Bang was the first thing that happened, not the only thing. There were subsequent collisions, fusions, annihilations, and further 'bangs'. My purpose was not to convert people, just make atheists more tolerant towards theists, and theist fundamentalists more tolerant towards science.

In fact most of modern science has its roots in the Quran, since renaissance sprang from moorish introduction of science to europe.

As for your second post, you are taking 'days' literally, I do know for a fact that 41:10 refers to the four seasons (hence the nourishment and proportions). The 'two days' again refers to day and night, light and dark, good and evil, the duality. It is a recurring theme and very contextual, taking it stand-alone is misleading, so please don't quote out of context.

Again, I am not here to defend my religion, so there is no point asking further questions, just research them, there are plenty of websites that'll do that.

dapjang : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

dapjang

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1256 days 18 hours ago...

how about the part in the Quaran where it tells you to kill people? Lets just remember that "christians" thought the earth was flat sooo...... :-/

MadDictator : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

MadDictator

-3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 18 hours ago...

lets all write long comments because we all can be bothered reading something that has been pasted and copyed

SamuraiPanda : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

SamuraiPanda

14 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 18 hours ago...

I applaud this debate. While I am not well-versed in the Quaran, I thoroughly enjoy seeing two people able to debate in an unbiased manner with religion and science.

If there were more people like you guys, maybe America would finally be able to move forward, instead of debating if gay people are truly human beings or if we should allow companies to control the internet.

qwertyboyo : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

qwertyboyo

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 18 hours ago...

There's nothing in the Quran that states that muslims should kill people and saying about BS in the quran is just plain stupid. If you find it hard to believe that means you dont have faith in it. If you're christian, how did you felt when Da Vinci code came out? didnt it questioned christinity? sorry if i should raise some issues or something, i'm not trying to make a problem here. All i'm saying is that in every religion, you should just have faith in your own religion and dont question other peoples faith.

aquaman : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

aquaman

-3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 18 hours ago...

Whats the point? No one is going to resolve the arguement for or against evolution/creationism on a small internet comments page. Why bother?

TheTamster : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

TheTamster

8 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 17 hours ago...

you see IMO religion is plain and simple, CONTROL nothing else, thats it hands down.If it was indeed true, the religious groups would allow and accept scientific studies into the exsitence of god, or they would atleast try to further they'r understanding of god by searching for answers and not neccesarily proof but atleast some truth.

BUT they dont, they will accept nothing other than what is written in an ancient book wich we already know was edited, selectively by the people in power at the time, (dont beleive me look it up before saying shit)

Religion is nothing more than control, this is apparent in mulsim conroled countries and ofcourse america, they need this control because, lets face it, we the people could rise up at ANYTIME and take the power from these greedy men, but we dont,why, well some of us dont cos we think it cant be done, and the rest dont because they believe it would go against god! as for us who have our heads out of our asses long enough to see whats happening, we cant do shit because we'll become devil worshipers and more importantly TERRORISTS.

God is and always has been a pipe dream, created to make us beleive there is punishment that we can never escape, this in turn kept us straight and made us follow and beleive those in power because they where doing "gods work"

The moral here really is to think for youself,research yourslefs and find you own answers, if you beleive in god that is your choice, and there certainly is nothing wrong in having faith in something especially if it make you a good person, but it is becoming something more sinister and if yal dont get you heads out your ass's well be some serious trouble,

wow, sorry bout that got my first good night sleep in a while, my brains working again.......lol
clip was good by the way!!!llol

Doqaz : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Doqaz

7 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 17 hours ago...

Great show.

"Whats the point? No one is going to resolve the arguement for or against evolution/creationism on a small internet comments page. Why bother?"

Well at least people will be better informed and might be able to make a stronger point against creationism. The right comment in the right eyes might create a right reaction.

Raz : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

Raz

7 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 17 hours ago...

Denial of evolution through blind faith is nothing more then an example of mankind sticking it's head into the sand because it is more comfortable that way.

Take it out, look around, and accept the truth.

(AND I believe in God. Would you imagine that? Tell me i'm going to hell. I dare you.)

sp69ky187 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

sp69ky187

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 16 hours ago...

so on the first day god created the heavens and the stars...on on the second day he created earth..i think thats how it goes..rite...well besides those so called facts....how long was gods "day"...was it a 24 hour day like on earth???....or could his day consist of millions of years??...anyone think of that??...i mean common...people seem to dwell too much or take the texts of the bible as literal truths...its just a book...with stories to help you live your life and treat others with kindness and respect....and if your a christian..and agains gays and differnt religions....your braking jesus' 11th commandment...to love one another.......but besides that......maybe science and religion might be both rite..its just those who think they know what religious texts mean that end up corrupting others to follow thier own sick plans..just like all them suicide bombers in the middle east..and just like them reborn christians that want to kill those who do not follow thier faith.......its sad how some people follow blindly

CanadianChick : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

CanadianChick

-2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 16 hours ago...

I applaud cornfight's comment ... "Who gives a fuk we're here and we've got beer."

However, not having any belief is sad for people like me who need to make sense of things (I am a prisoner of the human mind afterall). So that makes me envious of cornfight.

TheTamster is correct and Raz was correct until he said he believed in God (because our feeble human minds can only grasp the concept that something has to be created by something else).

It's a shame that this debate leads to nowhere. However, anything is possible, especially if Bush can be president of the US. There is no hope. Which leads us back to cornfight's comment.


hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

Bible thumpers have to be some of the most irratating people on Earth, because the believe that their understanding of existence is the only correct one, even though it does not make any sense, and anyone who believes differently is evil and going to Hell.

Atheists are equally as closed minded, they believe that they alone are correct and anyone who believes differently from them is a total retard, but at least they do not think that people they disagree with are going to hell.

The way that I see it, is that it is amazing that that we do exist. That existence is real, because once upon a time, it was so. Not only did we personally not exist, but nothing existed, no matter or even time itself.

I think that through whatever strange quirk in evolution, that gave us minds that we able to contemplate our own existence, and create science to understand the unverse, and Art to convey that understanding goes far beyond simple survival of the fittest. Really, when was the last time your knowledge of physics or biology helped you get laid?

CanadianChick : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

CanadianChick

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb - how do you know that "Not only did we personally not exist, but nothing existed, no matter or even time itself."

We're not intelligent enought to know that. The human mind is just not intelligent enough. I wish I could elaborate ... but it's impossible.

h0rse : LVL 8: VP 1.7: said:

h0rse

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

damn thats alot of commenting, obviously something alot of ppl feel pretty strongly about in alot of different ways.

Also a very funny clip, hope it gets uploaded everyday for the next week

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

Canadian Chick,

Ever heard of the Big Bang Theory, or the theory of Relativity?

When there was no matter in the Universe, before the bang, according to the Theory of Relativity time itself did not exist.

qwertyboyo : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

qwertyboyo

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

for the love of god!!!! why can we just make science and religion co-exist together???????? there must be that one boundry where both sides can be happy....

CanadianChick : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

CanadianChick

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb - the word "theory" says it all. Face it - the human brain can't contemplate existence so we can only come up with theories. It's a shame though.


hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 15 hours ago...

I don't think that its desirable to make religion and science co-exist, because it would stiffle human thought. If I had my way we would all have a religion of curiosity, where every morning we would wake up, amazed at everything that we do not know or understand, and spend the rest of the day trying to fill that void.

CanadianChick : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

CanadianChick

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 14 hours ago...

The majority of us do that already. However, filling that void is usually destructive because of what society has become, and always has been.


hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 14 hours ago...

Canadian Chick,

I agree with you for a change. We are all too stupid and ignorant to understand the true nature of existence. No one can understand God or the universe, but some people are compensate for their stupidity and ignorance by putting all their faith in incomplete science or Religion, this allows them to pretend that they are knowledgible and gives them a sense that they have some degree of control.

I am comfortable knowing that I am as stupid and ignorant in relative terms as everyone else in the World. Its the past-time of contemplating existence and reality, while trying to obtain knowledge that keeps me from a life of boredom. I like to think about God, and what God might be, and if I accepted a religions take on God, I would get bored. Just like I like to think about evolution and marvel that something as complex as life exists.

EDIT: While I agree with your statement 2 posts up, I disagree with your last statement. I do not believe that such a thing as society exists, and believe that people generalize an artificial construct of society on which to project their fears or hatreds, about the macro-organism that is the human race. Taken in balance Humanity is neutral, we are neither good nor evil; as a whole.

What the majority does not accept is their own falliblity. Every individual is passionately and emotionally connected to their personal world view, understanding that their knowledge and intelligence are flawed creates a paradox in their perception of reality and it fucks with their heads, so most people pretend that they are neither ignorant or stupid.

elmsters : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

elmsters

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 13 hours ago...

Sorry, this may have been dealt with before, but did someone say that there is nothing about killing people in the Koran? I was under the assumption that there were death penalties for adulterers, non-believers, murderers, homosexuals, and probably some other crimes I can't think of. Is there really no condoning of killing in the Koran at all? Even if it is execution?

Z3rG : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

Z3rG

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 13 hours ago...

Canadian Chick- I find it funny how you blame the human brain for not being able to explain existance, as though we are inferior or something. Reguardless of how and where we came from you cant assume that we are not intelligent enough to understand. All that the therories of the big bang and reletivity do is provide inferences of how the universe may have come about. For example, if you come home one day and happen to find a smashed window with a rock next to it, you make the inference that somone threw the rock through your window. However chances are you'll have a very hard time working out who it was that threw the rock. You might assume it was somone that hated you, (as religons believe it was their god(s) that created us) but other than that you got nothing. Now that doesnt make you any less intelligent does it? But on the other hand, you might find some evidence, such as a footprint outside or somthing, that you can use to eventually find out who threw the rock, just as scientists may oneday find solid evidence of how it all began.

TheTamster : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

TheTamster

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

I read a comment, that said why cant science and religion co-exist and i think there is a very simple answer for this:

science is at a stage now where it can prove religion as well.... FAKE ,it probably already has but they would never show such things to us sheep.

This is a big problem for all the people who profit from religion,and dont kid youslef theres lots of people, like everything nowaday all that matters is profit and religion is steady profit, i know guys that CANT go to the mosque because the cant AFFORD to. Also the preist at the chapel where i live drives a 50grand mercede's.

I dont think we should realy worry about explaining existence, by all means reaserch how we came to be, but i think "the meaning of life" is just one of those redundant questions that has a different answer for evey individual. We should be more intrested in "what is the meaning of MY life" find your purpose, your reason to get out of bed in the morning and all the other questions will answer themselves!

ckyvick : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

ckyvick

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

k ill explain it to you all very simple....when you actually STUDY CREATION you LEARN SHIT. half of it it teaching you all the shit thats wrong with evolution, which is pretty funny since they leave it in the textbooks and u still get taught all the shit in schools.in creation science they give you a book about every single creature thats ever been called a "missing link" and explain how its complete bull shit(lucy was a fucking chimpanzee you retards and shes still on display.....) im not saying i belive in creation but im saying that evolution is by far the biggest crock of bull shit ive ever heard. WHY CANT THEY JUST TEACH SCIENCE IN SCHOOL AND NOT THEORIES.


ps look up EVOLUTION in a dictionary, there will be about 6 different answers...only ONE has EVER BEEN PROVEN, which is microevolution and that means ADAPTATION...a birds beaks and feathers might change over generations, but you will never get a bird giving birth to ANYTHING BUT A BIRD. FUCK EVOLUTION

Progtologist : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Progtologist

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

Here's answering your question Elmsters.

This is taken from the so-called Verse of the Sword, Sura IX.5

X. 5: slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush

VIII. 38-39: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them?And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah.

IX. 29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

XLVII.4 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite their necks.

The last one is taken in the context of war, but you can see how easily it can be construed as supporting the killing of civilians in a "jihad" which is basically a never-ending battle.

Ra91 : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

Ra91

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

...because if it was true it would be terrifying...

Humans didn’t evolve from modern day monkeys, both we and them evolved from common ancestor. If Darwin was as good at PR as church he would be some kind of Buddha for 5% of earths population. Many people forget 11th commandment… “Thee shall keep thou religion to thou self”

nethermit : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

nethermit

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

whatever life is, whether we are evolved or created, just live life happy. That has never been evolved.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

Cky,

Darwin was wrong when he suggested that creature evolved gradually, evolution did not happen gradually, it happened suddenly over a single generation, so there is no missing link, never was a missing link never will be.

What happens is occasionally a mutant is born, which happens to be better adapted to living in a specific environment. This creature was able to reproduce with non-mutants of his species of origin, but the mutated genetics were passed on to subsequent generations.

Who knows if this does not happen randomly or as a result of some Divine intervention? I do not know, nor does anyone else. It might be possible that some sort of intelligent force is guiding the mutation of these genetics, because all species seem so well adapted to their ecological niches.

No, a bird is never going to lay an egg that hatches a puppy, but an australopithecine might be able to give birth to a proto-modern human, who passes these modern traits on to other Australopithecines which creates modern human offspring. This evolution would happen very quickly, and most likely not leave a fossil record.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 12 hours ago...

question for Intelligent design-where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm?!

CrimethInc : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

CrimethInc

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 11 hours ago...

good stuff..


And it really is f*ckin' scary...

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 11 hours ago...

There is just as much killing, genocide, infancide and torture in the bible as in the koran-the difference is while secularism continues to gain the upper hand in Christian states, in Islam, barring turkey, secularism is stunted by a literal translation of the koran, and thus, the Islamic states follow a system that is no longer relevant in a globalised econemy or a modern social enviroment.

In addition, by stunting the forces of modernity, such as secularism and the criticism of tradition, the Islamic states have merely squandered the immense scientific heritage gained from the greeks, persian's and roman's, plus all the great ancient empires of the middle-east, by removing the main driving force that causes humans to innovate and adapt, and partly as a result of this, the islamic world is in a poor state today, both technologically and economically.

Hence the quote "there are two types of people in this world; those with brains but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains", deeply ironic as it was spoken by an arabic scholar in the 12th century.

I am a theology and islamic studies student by the way :-)

and i would be very interested in any answer's to my above question "where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm", as the answers never fail to amuse me.

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 11 hours ago...

OKOKOKOKOK i have read all of your comments, they're very smart but far as hahajhonnyb says "that Atheist are closeminded" i disagree w/ that fact because they do think more about how life started and was created . i think that christans just accept the fact that there family is christian and the whole 3/4 religion in america is chirstian that they just accept the fact and move on. I am a Atheist myself i would reather belive in evolution than a spirt that lives in the heavens that just sits there preforming miricle when millions of people our dieing of earthly causes.

MisterLas : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

MisterLas

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 11 hours ago...

^^ very true.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

Being an atheist does not mean that you believe in evolution or not, being an atheist means that you believe as a matter of FACT that there is absolutely no chance or possibility that there is a God. To be a true atheist is more than just saying that you do not believe in Genesis or Jesus, but denying all spirituality of all forms and believing only in a narrow mindset of incomplete Science which says that life spontaneously generated itself randomly, the universe was randomly created and there is nothing greater to humanity than protozoa. This is closed minded, because there is no room for any alternative view.

Agnostics, on the other hand, say "maybe, I do not know for sure." They leave themselves open to believe the parts of religion that they agree with, they are open towards spirituality and the potential of greater powers in the Universe that we might never understand. To them, both sides could be right or wrong at the same time. They think with their own minds, and do not pretend to know the unknowable, as both religious fundamentalists and atheists do.

There are great bodies of Philosophy and thought that have to be rejected entirely by atheists, if they are to remain faithful to their beliefs, which does in fact make them closed minded.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

I would argue that exactly because atheists moral views are shapped by modern society, that they are the most open-minded as opposed to religious literalists, no-matter how well intentioned, who use a set of moral guidelines for a modern society that were developed for a completely different society that existed thousands of years ago; it would be funny if it wasn't so true.

"there is a torch in every town and village which is the teacher, and an extinguisher, who is the priest".

faith is personal, and organised religion has no right to make moral judgements on anyone else because they don't subscribe to the same views.

"The road to destruction is paved with the high morals of the righteous".

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

i said that i would belive more of evolution than god. im not saying i belive in ither one

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

by the way, did you know the word agnostic means 'ignorant', in greek? i was called a fool by most religious believers for simply having not decided yet- and I thank them for helping me make my decision.

I started out as an agnostic and learned the hard way doing my subjects with a vast majority of self-righteous religious peoples, some of whom could not even take a subjective view in essays on origin of their faiths and were told to leave- the duplicity of some religious believers amazes me, those who have such faith in their respective beliefs that preach tolarence and respect, but cannot even admit that they might actually be wrong; that they condemn good people from other religions and non-religions because of essentially an opinion?

"absolutism is the epitome of hypocrisy".

I am proud to have chosen to be an atheist, and I sleep better at night for making my decision

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

exactly.....

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

I'm not arguing for Organized Religion on any level. I think that most of them are a bunch of crooks, but I have also known true Christians who really live their faith, and take Christs teaching like "Judge not least ye be judged" and "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself" to heart and truly incorporate these teachings in their daily life.

I believe that Machevilli would be the patron saint of the world if all people abandoned religion and simply lived life for themselves and quit caring about nuturing the macro-organism of humanity, which lead lead to a World of backstabbing sneaks. Imagine living in a world of Social Darwinism, yuck.

To live a compassionate life a person has to reachout beyond their logic and reason, because love is illogical and unreasonible. But without love people will always be unfullfilled. I'm not trying to say that there is only one way to live a loving compassionate life, but to live a loving compassionate life you have to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension.

How is an atheist going to rationalize self-sacrifice when he is sitting around contemplating morality based on modern society? He cannot, so he eventually comes to the conclusion that sacrifice must be imposed on others, so while trying to create a moral society he commits the most egregeous mistake known to the modern world, forced sacrifice. Which eventually leads to war and democide. This is way communism was never going to work.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 10 hours ago...

Agnostic means "without knowledge" which is the same thing as ignorant, yes. Socrates said "Wisdom is knowing that you know nothing."

As I thought I'd made clear, God is unknowable, so everyone claiming Divine wisdom is a Charleton. As is everyone claiming that there is no God is also full of shit, because no one can know for certain either way.

BY claiming that you are not ignorant does not make you less ignorant.

Wr3ck #8 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Wr3ck #8

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 9 hours ago...

Bible is the greatest fantasy ever written, I give you that GOD. Jeesus was the greatest MAN that ever lived, you got that part too. The rest.. you can suck it!
by stupidest TWISTED wisdom of johhnnyb, whom everyone here know as fucked up shit muncher, there are fairy's, magica creatures and alladin.
Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they do not exist. They're just hiding well.. "because no one can know for certain either way."

Isn't that right, oh greatest of all shit-munchers, hahajohhnyb?

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 9 hours ago...

an atheist can rationalist self-sacrifice if it is to protect or defend the people that he love,s values etc-to suggest that an atheist cannot grasp a concept genetically instrinic since the caveman first defended his family agaisnt the sabertooth tiger is exactly the narrow viewpoint that you claim to hate.

Your argument that an atheist whilst "so while trying to create a moral society he commits the most egregeous mistake known to the modern world, forced sacrifice", is simply wrong and insulting-religion and faith is responsible for far more forced sacrifice throughout history and the present day, because if one is prepared to sacrifice themselves for an ideal or faith; an abstract concept, instead of humanity itself, then they are prepared to sacrifice many others on the same altar because of their belief that their cause is just, and that those that die will be rewarded eternally.Is religion or faith so different from Machevilli?

By claiming that "I'm not trying to say that there is only one way to live a loving compassionate life, but to live a loving compassionate life you have to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension", you have just condradicted yourself, as if one claims as you do that love itself is "illogical and unreasonible", therefore, someone who has the abilty to love has the inate abililty to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension, and thus, this abilty is not exclusive to religious believers.

I have also known geniune christians, jews and muslims who would never dream of forcing their views on anyone, what i am saying is that is not reflected accross the wide spetrum of religious belief in the world and that this situation is made far worse by organised religion.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

4 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 9 hours ago...


"Hope is a fools game, an empty purse- try to eat it, go hungry, drink it, go thirsty, seek it and go mad",

Faith is a manifestation of hope, and hope is nessersary to humanity as a species, it what drives modernity and science foward, the search for the answers to all questions because we hope that their there to be discovered-my faith is that someday humans will know everything there is to know-my religion is science and my God is humanity, I am a humanist-where i differ from those with religious faith is that I strive to discover the answers, whilst they believe they already have them, if one was only to believe in their concept of the unniverse. This I reject, and seek to find out for myself; that I've made my choice does not mean I have a closed mind to abstract conceps or spirituality, merely that on the available evidence I have chosen not to believe in the conventional God or of a religion.

Isn't it interesting that Agnosticism is an acceptable choice for someone from my point of view, the humanist view, but that so many religious believers view agnostics as easy targets, and wouldn't accept their beliefs as informed or as rational as theirs. But thats just religion all over, isn't it?

"The Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers to do battle". I love the Bible

kaycee : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

kaycee

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 8 hours ago...

"by stupidest TWISTED wisdom of johhnnyb, whom everyone here know as fucked up shit muncher, there are fairy's, magica creatures and alladin.
Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they do not exist."

You're twisting his words in the first sentence before actaully summing them up in the second. He never said there is or is not a god, only that it can not be proved either way. It is extremely difficult to prove a negative, and really none of the things you mention have been proven not to exist, but our current understanding of the world casts serious doubt upon them and does not require them to explain things.

JJFoo : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

JJFoo

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 7 hours ago...

OMG! just watch the clip, laugh and stfu! jeeez

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 7 hours ago...

Ah Wr3ck,

Your eloquence is only surpassed by your charm, grammar, spelling and wit.

QuietYou : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

QuietYou

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 7 hours ago...

This guy is fantastically witty :D love it

jateenjoshi : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

jateenjoshi

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 6 hours ago...

Religion and science can go hand in hand. However, I think we need to stop taking Religion at face value: how Jesus preformed his alleged miracles, what kind of clothes he wore, how many virgins you get when you die from self-sacrifice in jihad. Religion is a way of instilling values in people - values which have been developed over thousands of years all over the world to help us make everyday decisions. Science cannot make decisions such as participating in charity, avoiding pre-marital sex, not kililing people just because you feel like it.

However, when people involve issues such as creationism and make it a part of science instead of religion, it is wrong. Science deals with casaulity, observation, testing... and creationism is not held accountable to any of those things. If people don't buy the evolution THEORY, then that's fine, but don't drag some religious fabrication into a class and call it 'science'.

ThreadbareSaint : LVL 5: VP 1.4: said:

ThreadbareSaint

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 6 hours ago...

scintilating.

QuietYou : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

QuietYou

-3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 6 hours ago...

This is a humour site, not a site where I should read about retards who are afraid of dying, please stop.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-3 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 6 hours ago...

I agree that Creationism should not be taught in Science class, but you do run into trouble in Science in the United States because of the teaching of evolution. Here we have freedom of Religion, and when you have a Government entity with a captive audience teaching something that is against the teaching of a students Religious convictions, then you get into a tricky area of the law, and handicap the religious student.

If the student in their own mind is able to understand evolution as God's mechanism for Creationism, then that mental block is removed and they can continue their studies without thinking that they are sinning. At the same time, ID, does not force the teachings of any specific religion on any of the students, but it does give certain students a tool to overcome their superstitions.

bodhisattva : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

bodhisattva

-1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 5 hours ago...

Well, the clip was funny...except that display of complete ignorance
demonstrated by the closing quote - the moment of Zen. Jon Stewart
should be careful...the people of Rhea County TN might pass a law to
arrest him on sight for using words like 'Zen.'

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 5 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb, if ID is so useful then will you please answer my thrice stated question "where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm?", as I would like to hear your informed answer

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 4 hours ago...

If you had taken the time to read my numerous statements above, masterth, you might realize that Noah's Ark is not part of my belief system, so perhaps you might rephrase your question to a Christian or a Jew.

Let me rephrase my argument. Since there are a large group of students who are handicapped in their studies of biology by a harmless belief in creation mythology, whats the harm in telling the class, "There are some people who believe that evolution is the mechanism by which an intelligent being has designed life."???

Is there any endorsement of a religion in that statement, no. Are you forcing anyone to worship God? No. Is any student being penalized if they do not agree with that statement? No. Is any student made to feel excluded from the group if they disagree? No.

On the contrary, are students with deeply help religious beliefs against evolution penalized for their religious beliefs? Yes. Is there right to their own minds being infringed? Yes. Is their education being compromised? Yes. Are students who disagree with Evolution Theory made to feel excluded or uncomfortable if they do not agree? Yes.

Imagine if this were not the religious majority, and an obscure minority, who was suffering by not allowing alternative views in the class room, would you be willing to grant them one small concession, for the greater good of their entire education? Say a small group of students in a class are Voodoo practitioners, and they wanted to bring their Voodoo dolls into a Math exam, would you deny them? No, I bet most people would would say, "Go ahead, bring your Voodoo doll." and I bet that if some conservative group wanted to prevent these kids from bring their voodoo dolls to math class, the ACLU would throw a shit fit.

This entire thing is just about getting students over their cultural handicaps. Why is your hatred of religion so great, that you would penalize an innocent child who was brought up with these beliefs? Do you think that the role of Government is to destroy religion? In my Constitution, it says that we have Freedom of Religion, not freedom from Religion. The only way to balance the playing field for these kids might be to introduce them to Intelligent Design theories alongside with evolution.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 4 hours ago...

How about this...

A large% of certain communities speak only spanish in the home. As a result, they can not speak English so well, which handicaps them in School. Do you not think that the Schools should have a program to get these kids up to speed in the English language so that they are competing on a level playing field with who grew up in English spaeking homes?

It is essentially the same thing, but it costs virtually nothing to read a one paragragh statement in a biology class verses the cost of teaching a spanish speaking student English.

killer taco : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

killer taco

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 4 hours ago...

Im a cathlic and I totaly belive in evolution. Even Pope John Paul II did. Evolution gives God more credit. He's smarter then "creationalists" give him credit for.

whitie : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

whitie

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 3 hours ago...

POST THE WHOLE WEEK OF THIS...I WANNA SEE HOW IT PANS OUT!!

Tortilla Boy : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

Tortilla Boy

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 2 hours ago...

I'm catholic, but it seems like i am leaning toward agnostic. There has to be a god though. How can emotion and conscience come from a nothing, but science. Its wierd, just live a good life. Thats all i can say. U'll feel a lot better about yourself.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

1 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 2 hours ago...

1) you cannot compare a belief system with a language
2) a language does handicap students learning a subject, belief does not in an objective subject such as biology or english
3) if a student who does believe in God cannot look objectively at something that contradicts his belief in a biology lesson for example, then civillised society has every right to condemn his narrowness of mind
4) ID is not a scientific theory, its a fusion of religion and science and thus is more akin to philosophy
5) therefore it should be taught in philosophy or religious studies and not in science, do escatolgical colleges or bible school teach about evolution, I think not since many schools in the deep south still refuse to teach Darwinism in your country
6) Finally, in your pledge of Allegiance, isnt there something about "under God", hows that for persecuting minorities, such as atheists or secularists, who have to give that pledge in American schools every day? At least Religious believers have the choice in what they say in Biology, they can argue agaisnt it, anyone who argued agaisnt taking the pledge of allegiance because of the reference to under God would be metaphorically crucified, in your countries so tenuous separation of Church and state.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

0 votes NegativePositive

1256 days 1 hour ago...

John Paul the second also made the use of condoms an unforgivable sin, in that the use of them automatically condems that person to Hell for all eternity, and when the current pope was the head of The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under John Paul (aka the Inquistion, yes it still exists and has the power to excommunicate) he had a Bishop excommunicated for daring to suggest that women had an equal standing to men in the Catholic Church.

yeah, I loved John Paul the second

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days ago...

Philosophy means love of Knowledge. Isn't the point of education to acquire knowledge?

If a group of students had a philosophical impediment to an area of study, shouldn't an attempt be made to level the playing field with other students without the same philosophical impediment?

If a kid has a learning disorder doesn't that kid deserve special help so that he might overcome his disability?

If a kid is physically handicapped, shouldn't they also get special help?

You know Sir Isaac Newton was a devoutly religious man, so if we fail these students with religious convicts then we might be scaring away the next Newton from a career in Science. Wouldn't it make more sense to read one little paragraph, to help a student overcome their little philosophical problem with learning the science, so they take the time to open their minds and actually learn the science?

Come on man, you know that your argument is crap, and all the talk against this ID stuff is just an attempt at relegating religious students to a second class status. Every kid has an equal right to an education, and handicapping an otherwise intelligent kid because of the way that he was raised is a bunch of crap. And For what reason? So a handful of close minded atheists won't get offended. Its bullshit and you know it!

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

2 votes NegativePositive

1256 days ago...

ok johnnyb calm down with the huge ass comments

LeighCedar : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

LeighCedar

2 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 22 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb,

So we should lie to kids in order to put them on equal footing? ID should not be taught as anything other than religion (or possibly philosophy) as it is not science.
Should we also force a paragraph on evolution into bibles so that kids are not handicapped if they go to church?

Now if you want to get philosophy as a regular course in grade school then fantastic. Mine didn't have that option but I think it would be a nice addition.

Plus the problem in many states is that they don't just want to add in a paragraph, they want ID to get equal billing with Evolution. This would mean less time for actual science in the class, and that would be a handicap for kids.

Plus I thought you were a conservative capitalist. Don't you believe that everyone has the potential to "make it" no matter their socioeconomic background? Therefore the kids who avoid evolution have just as much chance of making it, and no handicap.

!!!snow sick!!! : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

!!!snow sick!!!

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 22 hours ago...

wow...funny....

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

2 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 22 hours ago...

How the hell is teaching kids to learn a scientific theory in science and a religious theory in religious studies handicapping them? Are you saying that a person who believes in creationism or ID is the same as a physically handicapped kid? Your comparision is insane unless you really are suggesting that creationists are the same as a kid with a learning disorder and "deserves special help so that he might overcome his disability", which would make you simply a moron, as having a different viewpoint to others cannot be compared what so ever to having a learning disorder, unless you are suggesting that creationists and those who believe in ID have a learning disorder, which is frankly grossly insulting to anyone with these views. The idiocy of your comparisions is stricking, and basically demonstrates your complete inability to conduct a rational argument, without resorting to crass digs such as "So a handful of close minded atheists won't get offended". Your simply arguing with an argument that isn't represented in any of my posts with phrases such as

"Come on man, you know that your argument is crap, and all the talk against this ID stuff is just an attempt at relegating religious students to a second class status. Every kid has an equal right to an education, and handicapping an otherwise intelligent kid because of the way that he was raised is a bunch of crap".

Your talking rubbish, I don't know where I relegate students to second class status in any of my arguments, but you really are a fool if you think that all these years of not teaching ID in science has handicapped a generation of potential Isaac newtons.

Finally, just as I wouldn't go to Maths to learn about English, or Physis to learn about Geography, I wouldn't go to Biology to learn about creationism or intelligent design-I would go to RS or philosphy, and since the lack of ID has not demoted students to second class students presently, I fail to see how this will suddenly change if ID is taught or isn't taught in science. It's presently taught in RS, and thats where it belongs, where all different sides of the argument can be debated and examined in a lesson, not in biology where it would merely be relagated to a footnote or "one little paragraph", as you so claim.

Consequently, in technical Theologian terms; you are talking out of your arse.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

2 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 22 hours ago...

LeighCedar is totally spot on by the way, i started the above thread before he posted otherwise I would of simply agreed with him

Mystic_Al : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

Mystic_Al

-1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 21 hours ago...

I've always believed that science and religion go together like a pyramid. science can expelin everything within that pyramid until you get to the peak, then what? When there is no more scientific explanation, what conclusions can we draw? That's where religion and faith come in, maybe there is some sort of Divine Intervention.

I feel myself to be more Agnostic than anything else, which is essentially where you are comfortable with your beliefs, but are also willing and open-minded to another persons. It's when that other person tries to tell you that you are wrong, that problems arise. If being Agnostic means being ignorant, then so be it. I will follow my beliefs and do what I feel is within my morality.

I will not follow another person who takes their beliefs to an extreme end. Take for example Osama Bin Laden, who uses his religion to essentially brainwash his followers to do his bidding... but whenever trouble is near, he runs in the opposite direction. Same goes for George Bush, using his religion to justify actions that I seriously disagree with... almost any prolific religious figure can be very, well, hypocritical whenone thinks about it.

So who better to have faith in then yourself? Just be courteous to others and don't shun them for their beliefs and live your life knowing that you are comfortable with yourself and that you made a decision based on your feelings, and not on how others will judge it.

Thanks for reading my input everyone, this has been on of the best series of posts I've read so far.

matt81j : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

matt81j

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 21 hours ago...

Intelligent design is absurd and quite dangerous to religion itself, your essentially pushing religion into the "gaps" in science that we dont fully understand YET, so essentially the scope of what intelligent design can effectively put down to god becomes smaller and smaller.

reYKCuf : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

reYKCuf

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 20 hours ago...

Intelligent design/creationism has no place in anything called science. There are no real scientist who take intelligent design even remotely seriously, its all religious people who want to take us back a few hundred years and have the church control us and are minds again. Hurray Republicans!

Eman007 : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Eman007

-1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 20 hours ago...

I wonder what Jon Stewart Believes. I still say Christianity version is the most reasonable :)

reYKCuf : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

reYKCuf

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 20 hours ago...

who can argue with that? Haha

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

-1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 19 hours ago...

Leighcedar,

If I were to design a K-12 education everything would focus on philosophy, because Philosopy teaches you not what to think but how to think. The greatest mathematicians and scientists were also frequently great philosophers too. Newton, Einstien, Descartes, all published Philosophical works. People who have studied philosophy, even lesurely make better conversations than those who have not. Philosophy actually makes you a better rounded and even a more intelligent person, because you have learned how to think instead of just regurgitating information and opinions.

As far as forcing anything into the Bible, I guess we could but only if we were Mormons. Thing is..its not the role of public education to teach spiritual beliefs. I think that they should teach beliefs in things like fairness, democracy, capitalism, individualism, right and wrong, but if we began to teach state spirituality we would be stepping into the domain of the parents.

Yes, I am a proud provactuer of free market capitalism. I am a champion of individualism, and philosophically think of myself as an objectivist. I think that the greatest acheivement that education could achieve is to empower a generation of self reliant individuals with the knowledge and self confidence to to accomplish whatever they desire in this life to their abilities, without warping their individual spirits with a political indoctrenation.

I know that my ultimate desire might take time out of home-economics, and in the third grade they may not learn all the names for the individual parts of a flower, but they will know how to think and if their own curiousity inspires them to learn about home-economics or flowers then they would have the intellectual ability to do so on their own.

I would let them determine which ideas are dangerous, would keep nothing from them however taboo, and would damn sure never bow to anyone's political agenda whether they be right or left. No more stepping on a kids curiousity, because whoever says its not right.

Its so fucking simple, its stupid. Teach the kids how to think and they will naturally become whatever it is that they are supposed to become and live happy lives.

LeighCedar : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

LeighCedar

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 19 hours ago...

I think you just summed up what we are saying: "Thing is..its not the role of public education to teach spiritual beliefs."

No ID in the class room. Unless we get to that Utopia education system you were describing. I'd be all for a freeform critical thinking school.


Edit:
Oh and I was just reading some older comments. hahhajohnnyb, Darwin was not wrong about the speed of evolution. Mutation can occur in one generation, but these are tiny changes. The process to get from one species or another takes many many generations and needs a series of factors (like genetic drift). After a number of generations, and likely a seperation of the two populations (so they don't interbreed) you get two distinct species.

MTHunter : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

MTHunter

-1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 18 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb, you are the only person I could ever say I think is smarter than me. You are a fucking genius. A lot of people I know think being smart is knowledge gained through reading and research. Anyone can do that. But what you said...

"We are all too stupid and ignorant to understand the true nature of existence. No one can understand God or the universe, but some people are compensate for their stupidity and ignorance by putting all their faith in incomplete science or Religion, this allows them to pretend that they are knowledgible and gives them a sense that they have some degree of control.

I am comfortable knowing that I am as stupid and ignorant in relative terms as everyone else in the World. Its the past-time of contemplating existence and reality, while trying to obtain knowledge that keeps me from a life of boredom. I like to think about God, and what God might be, and if I accepted a religions take on God, I would get bored. Just like I like to think about evolution and marvel that something as complex as life exists.

(And also everything else you said.)

...is exaclty what I have been thinking put into perfect words. You are a fucking genius. *clap, clap, clap*

FacelessSchmuck : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

FacelessSchmuck

1 votes NegativePositive

1255 days 4 hours ago...

It's not that creationism shouldn't be taught, it's just that it isn't science. It's theology. You don't teach poetry in a math class and you don't teach theology in a science class.

Now if you want to require that theology be taught in public schools, that's fine and I wish you luck in achieving it. Just keep in mind that, in the interest of fairness, you need Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, with maybe a primer on Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, and Pastafarianism, just to make sure you're covering other schools of thought.

ckyvick : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

ckyvick

-3 votes NegativePositive

1252 days 21 hours ago...

question for Intelligent design-where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm?!

HAHAHAHA what the fuck u retarded, they brought babies, the arc supposedly landed at a fairly high altitude, and dinos were either killed off and couldnt adapt, we have found FOOTPRINTS with HUMAN FOOT PRINTS NEXT TO DINOSAUR FOOT PRINTS, but you probably wont ever learn that in your school, also why do they still have supposed "missing link" skeletons n shit in museums, even after being proven wrong?!?!??!

justjewit7 : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

justjewit7

1 votes NegativePositive

1251 days 17 hours ago...

Eman007, Jon Stewart is Jewish, first off. Second off, the "Christian version" is also the Jewish version since it's all in the Old Testament. It is technically not even the Christain version.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

1 votes NegativePositive

1251 days 10 hours ago...

"HAHAHAHA what the fuck u retarded, they brought babies, the arc supposedly landed at a fairly high altitude, and dinos were either killed off and couldnt adapt, we have found FOOTPRINTS with HUMAN FOOT PRINTS NEXT TO DINOSAUR FOOT PRINTS, but you probably wont ever learn that in your school, also why do they still have supposed "missing link" skeletons n shit in museums, even after being proven wrong?!?!??!"

awwww, they brought babies-how did the babies survive without their mother's regurgitated food or milk, and when the young of several dinosaurs weighted several tons, it really wouldn't make a damn bit of diferrence, what about inbreeding, and don't baby termities and woodworm still eat wood, and yes, we have found dino footprints next to human footprints- difference is that the dino footprints are dated 65million years earlier-minor problem there....

also, considering that dinosaurs have been the most adaptable species ever seen on this earth, lasting hundreds of millions of years-based on the fossil records we have, I fail to see how they wouldn't have adapted-crocodiles were there with the dinosaurs and they had no problem.

Lastly ckyvick, your argument is shit :-)))))

EntropY* : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

EntropY*

-3 votes NegativePositive

1202 days 15 hours ago...

"hahajohnnyb" i wish i could write my thoughts as well as you, that's EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY. Every last word has emphasized what i have contemplated and imagined my entire life.

I think there are many people who feel this way, but feel alone in their thinking because of society's frowning on philosophy or deep thought on matters, (all society cares about is getting drunk or high), and it is destroying humanity; because there can be no theological debates, no sharing of ideas, no growth of wisdom, no refining of ideas. So eventually they give up, who knows how many people like you have given up on what they believe only to go get arrested and thrown in a prison?

You sir, are a god among men for not only realizing and identifying what is true, but also for being able to write it; and not being afraid to voice it. I applaud, i applaud.

EntropY* : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

EntropY*

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1202 days 14 hours ago...

"hahajohnnyb" i wish i could write my thoughts as well as you, that's EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY. Every last word has emphasized what i have contemplated and imagined my entire life.

I think there are many people who feel this way, but feel alone in their thinking because of society's frowning on philosophy or deep thought on matters, (all society cares about is getting drunk or high), and it is destroying humanity; because there can be no theological debates, no sharing of ideas, no growth of wisdom, no refining of ideas. So eventually they give up, who knows how many people like you have given up on what they believe only to go get arrested and thrown in a prison?

and then there are those that are so inept at philosophy (this is hte majority) that they condemn those that are better. it's the most typical response of the inexperienced to the experienced, hate, jealousy, misunderstanding. Their ego despises the idea that there is someone better than them, and therefore they should be belittled, quelched.
Mainstream society has adopted this idealogy; and it has eliminated mankind's perception and belief.

You sir, are a god among men for not only realizing and identifying what is true, but also for being able to write it; and not being afraid to voice it. I applaud, i applaud.

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1135 days 21 hours ago...

Ha! You guys think you're "theologists" or philosophers? If God thought you were in his corner he'd probably sneeze on you. Honestly, my mind boggles at just how thick you people are.

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