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The Daily Show - Evolution Schmevolution

The beginning of the Daily Show's Evolution Week.

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6/20/2006 3:53:45 PM

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hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1255 days 17 hours ago...

How about this...

A large% of certain communities speak only spanish in the home. As a result, they can not speak English so well, which handicaps them in School. Do you not think that the Schools should have a program to get these kids up to speed in the English language so that they are competing on a level playing field with who grew up in English spaeking homes?

It is essentially the same thing, but it costs virtually nothing to read a one paragragh statement in a biology class verses the cost of teaching a spanish speaking student English.

killer taco : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

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1255 days 17 hours ago...

Im a cathlic and I totaly belive in evolution. Even Pope John Paul II did. Evolution gives God more credit. He's smarter then "creationalists" give him credit for.

whitie : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

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1255 days 17 hours ago...

POST THE WHOLE WEEK OF THIS...I WANNA SEE HOW IT PANS OUT!!

Tortilla Boy : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1255 days 16 hours ago...

I'm catholic, but it seems like i am leaning toward agnostic. There has to be a god though. How can emotion and conscience come from a nothing, but science. Its wierd, just live a good life. Thats all i can say. U'll feel a lot better about yourself.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1255 days 15 hours ago...

1) you cannot compare a belief system with a language
2) a language does handicap students learning a subject, belief does not in an objective subject such as biology or english
3) if a student who does believe in God cannot look objectively at something that contradicts his belief in a biology lesson for example, then civillised society has every right to condemn his narrowness of mind
4) ID is not a scientific theory, its a fusion of religion and science and thus is more akin to philosophy
5) therefore it should be taught in philosophy or religious studies and not in science, do escatolgical colleges or bible school teach about evolution, I think not since many schools in the deep south still refuse to teach Darwinism in your country
6) Finally, in your pledge of Allegiance, isnt there something about "under God", hows that for persecuting minorities, such as atheists or secularists, who have to give that pledge in American schools every day? At least Religious believers have the choice in what they say in Biology, they can argue agaisnt it, anyone who argued agaisnt taking the pledge of allegiance because of the reference to under God would be metaphorically crucified, in your countries so tenuous separation of Church and state.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1255 days 15 hours ago...

John Paul the second also made the use of condoms an unforgivable sin, in that the use of them automatically condems that person to Hell for all eternity, and when the current pope was the head of The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under John Paul (aka the Inquistion, yes it still exists and has the power to excommunicate) he had a Bishop excommunicated for daring to suggest that women had an equal standing to men in the Catholic Church.

yeah, I loved John Paul the second

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1255 days 13 hours ago...

Philosophy means love of Knowledge. Isn't the point of education to acquire knowledge?

If a group of students had a philosophical impediment to an area of study, shouldn't an attempt be made to level the playing field with other students without the same philosophical impediment?

If a kid has a learning disorder doesn't that kid deserve special help so that he might overcome his disability?

If a kid is physically handicapped, shouldn't they also get special help?

You know Sir Isaac Newton was a devoutly religious man, so if we fail these students with religious convicts then we might be scaring away the next Newton from a career in Science. Wouldn't it make more sense to read one little paragraph, to help a student overcome their little philosophical problem with learning the science, so they take the time to open their minds and actually learn the science?

Come on man, you know that your argument is crap, and all the talk against this ID stuff is just an attempt at relegating religious students to a second class status. Every kid has an equal right to an education, and handicapping an otherwise intelligent kid because of the way that he was raised is a bunch of crap. And For what reason? So a handful of close minded atheists won't get offended. Its bullshit and you know it!

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1255 days 13 hours ago...

ok johnnyb calm down with the huge ass comments

LeighCedar : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1255 days 11 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb,

So we should lie to kids in order to put them on equal footing? ID should not be taught as anything other than religion (or possibly philosophy) as it is not science.
Should we also force a paragraph on evolution into bibles so that kids are not handicapped if they go to church?

Now if you want to get philosophy as a regular course in grade school then fantastic. Mine didn't have that option but I think it would be a nice addition.

Plus the problem in many states is that they don't just want to add in a paragraph, they want ID to get equal billing with Evolution. This would mean less time for actual science in the class, and that would be a handicap for kids.

Plus I thought you were a conservative capitalist. Don't you believe that everyone has the potential to "make it" no matter their socioeconomic background? Therefore the kids who avoid evolution have just as much chance of making it, and no handicap.

!!!snow sick!!! : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

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1255 days 11 hours ago...

wow...funny....

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1255 days 11 hours ago...

How the hell is teaching kids to learn a scientific theory in science and a religious theory in religious studies handicapping them? Are you saying that a person who believes in creationism or ID is the same as a physically handicapped kid? Your comparision is insane unless you really are suggesting that creationists are the same as a kid with a learning disorder and "deserves special help so that he might overcome his disability", which would make you simply a moron, as having a different viewpoint to others cannot be compared what so ever to having a learning disorder, unless you are suggesting that creationists and those who believe in ID have a learning disorder, which is frankly grossly insulting to anyone with these views. The idiocy of your comparisions is stricking, and basically demonstrates your complete inability to conduct a rational argument, without resorting to crass digs such as "So a handful of close minded atheists won't get offended". Your simply arguing with an argument that isn't represented in any of my posts with phrases such as

"Come on man, you know that your argument is crap, and all the talk against this ID stuff is just an attempt at relegating religious students to a second class status. Every kid has an equal right to an education, and handicapping an otherwise intelligent kid because of the way that he was raised is a bunch of crap".

Your talking rubbish, I don't know where I relegate students to second class status in any of my arguments, but you really are a fool if you think that all these years of not teaching ID in science has handicapped a generation of potential Isaac newtons.

Finally, just as I wouldn't go to Maths to learn about English, or Physis to learn about Geography, I wouldn't go to Biology to learn about creationism or intelligent design-I would go to RS or philosphy, and since the lack of ID has not demoted students to second class students presently, I fail to see how this will suddenly change if ID is taught or isn't taught in science. It's presently taught in RS, and thats where it belongs, where all different sides of the argument can be debated and examined in a lesson, not in biology where it would merely be relagated to a footnote or "one little paragraph", as you so claim.

Consequently, in technical Theologian terms; you are talking out of your arse.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1255 days 11 hours ago...

LeighCedar is totally spot on by the way, i started the above thread before he posted otherwise I would of simply agreed with him

Mystic_Al : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

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1255 days 10 hours ago...

I've always believed that science and religion go together like a pyramid. science can expelin everything within that pyramid until you get to the peak, then what? When there is no more scientific explanation, what conclusions can we draw? That's where religion and faith come in, maybe there is some sort of Divine Intervention.

I feel myself to be more Agnostic than anything else, which is essentially where you are comfortable with your beliefs, but are also willing and open-minded to another persons. It's when that other person tries to tell you that you are wrong, that problems arise. If being Agnostic means being ignorant, then so be it. I will follow my beliefs and do what I feel is within my morality.

I will not follow another person who takes their beliefs to an extreme end. Take for example Osama Bin Laden, who uses his religion to essentially brainwash his followers to do his bidding... but whenever trouble is near, he runs in the opposite direction. Same goes for George Bush, using his religion to justify actions that I seriously disagree with... almost any prolific religious figure can be very, well, hypocritical whenone thinks about it.

So who better to have faith in then yourself? Just be courteous to others and don't shun them for their beliefs and live your life knowing that you are comfortable with yourself and that you made a decision based on your feelings, and not on how others will judge it.

Thanks for reading my input everyone, this has been on of the best series of posts I've read so far.

matt81j : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

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1255 days 10 hours ago...

Intelligent design is absurd and quite dangerous to religion itself, your essentially pushing religion into the "gaps" in science that we dont fully understand YET, so essentially the scope of what intelligent design can effectively put down to god becomes smaller and smaller.

reYKCuf : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1255 days 9 hours ago...

Intelligent design/creationism has no place in anything called science. There are no real scientist who take intelligent design even remotely seriously, its all religious people who want to take us back a few hundred years and have the church control us and are minds again. Hurray Republicans!

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