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The Daily Show - Evolution Schmevolution

The beginning of the Daily Show's Evolution Week.

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6/20/2006 3:53:45 PM

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hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1254 days 11 hours ago...

Agnostic means "without knowledge" which is the same thing as ignorant, yes. Socrates said "Wisdom is knowing that you know nothing."

As I thought I'd made clear, God is unknowable, so everyone claiming Divine wisdom is a Charleton. As is everyone claiming that there is no God is also full of shit, because no one can know for certain either way.

BY claiming that you are not ignorant does not make you less ignorant.

Wr3ck #8 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

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1254 days 10 hours ago...

Bible is the greatest fantasy ever written, I give you that GOD. Jeesus was the greatest MAN that ever lived, you got that part too. The rest.. you can suck it!
by stupidest TWISTED wisdom of johhnnyb, whom everyone here know as fucked up shit muncher, there are fairy's, magica creatures and alladin.
Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they do not exist. They're just hiding well.. "because no one can know for certain either way."

Isn't that right, oh greatest of all shit-munchers, hahajohhnyb?

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1254 days 10 hours ago...

an atheist can rationalist self-sacrifice if it is to protect or defend the people that he love,s values etc-to suggest that an atheist cannot grasp a concept genetically instrinic since the caveman first defended his family agaisnt the sabertooth tiger is exactly the narrow viewpoint that you claim to hate.

Your argument that an atheist whilst "so while trying to create a moral society he commits the most egregeous mistake known to the modern world, forced sacrifice", is simply wrong and insulting-religion and faith is responsible for far more forced sacrifice throughout history and the present day, because if one is prepared to sacrifice themselves for an ideal or faith; an abstract concept, instead of humanity itself, then they are prepared to sacrifice many others on the same altar because of their belief that their cause is just, and that those that die will be rewarded eternally.Is religion or faith so different from Machevilli?

By claiming that "I'm not trying to say that there is only one way to live a loving compassionate life, but to live a loving compassionate life you have to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension", you have just condradicted yourself, as if one claims as you do that love itself is "illogical and unreasonible", therefore, someone who has the abilty to love has the inate abililty to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension, and thus, this abilty is not exclusive to religious believers.

I have also known geniune christians, jews and muslims who would never dream of forcing their views on anyone, what i am saying is that is not reflected accross the wide spetrum of religious belief in the world and that this situation is made far worse by organised religion.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1254 days 10 hours ago...

"Hope is a fools game, an empty purse- try to eat it, go hungry, drink it, go thirsty, seek it and go mad",

Faith is a manifestation of hope, and hope is nessersary to humanity as a species, it what drives modernity and science foward, the search for the answers to all questions because we hope that their there to be discovered-my faith is that someday humans will know everything there is to know-my religion is science and my God is humanity, I am a humanist-where i differ from those with religious faith is that I strive to discover the answers, whilst they believe they already have them, if one was only to believe in their concept of the unniverse. This I reject, and seek to find out for myself; that I've made my choice does not mean I have a closed mind to abstract conceps or spirituality, merely that on the available evidence I have chosen not to believe in the conventional God or of a religion.

Isn't it interesting that Agnosticism is an acceptable choice for someone from my point of view, the humanist view, but that so many religious believers view agnostics as easy targets, and wouldn't accept their beliefs as informed or as rational as theirs. But thats just religion all over, isn't it?

"The Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers to do battle". I love the Bible

kaycee : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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1254 days 10 hours ago...

"by stupidest TWISTED wisdom of johhnnyb, whom everyone here know as fucked up shit muncher, there are fairy's, magica creatures and alladin.
Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they do not exist."

You're twisting his words in the first sentence before actaully summing them up in the second. He never said there is or is not a god, only that it can not be proved either way. It is extremely difficult to prove a negative, and really none of the things you mention have been proven not to exist, but our current understanding of the world casts serious doubt upon them and does not require them to explain things.

JJFoo : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

OMG! just watch the clip, laugh and stfu! jeeez

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

Ah Wr3ck,

Your eloquence is only surpassed by your charm, grammar, spelling and wit.

QuietYou : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

This guy is fantastically witty :D love it

jateenjoshi : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

Religion and science can go hand in hand. However, I think we need to stop taking Religion at face value: how Jesus preformed his alleged miracles, what kind of clothes he wore, how many virgins you get when you die from self-sacrifice in jihad. Religion is a way of instilling values in people - values which have been developed over thousands of years all over the world to help us make everyday decisions. Science cannot make decisions such as participating in charity, avoiding pre-marital sex, not kililing people just because you feel like it.

However, when people involve issues such as creationism and make it a part of science instead of religion, it is wrong. Science deals with casaulity, observation, testing... and creationism is not held accountable to any of those things. If people don't buy the evolution THEORY, then that's fine, but don't drag some religious fabrication into a class and call it 'science'.

ThreadbareSaint : LVL 5: VP 1.4: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

scintilating.

QuietYou : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

This is a humour site, not a site where I should read about retards who are afraid of dying, please stop.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1254 days 8 hours ago...

I agree that Creationism should not be taught in Science class, but you do run into trouble in Science in the United States because of the teaching of evolution. Here we have freedom of Religion, and when you have a Government entity with a captive audience teaching something that is against the teaching of a students Religious convictions, then you get into a tricky area of the law, and handicap the religious student.

If the student in their own mind is able to understand evolution as God's mechanism for Creationism, then that mental block is removed and they can continue their studies without thinking that they are sinning. At the same time, ID, does not force the teachings of any specific religion on any of the students, but it does give certain students a tool to overcome their superstitions.

bodhisattva : LVL 16: VP 2.5: said:

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1254 days 7 hours ago...

Well, the clip was funny...except that display of complete ignorance
demonstrated by the closing quote - the moment of Zen. Jon Stewart
should be careful...the people of Rhea County TN might pass a law to
arrest him on sight for using words like 'Zen.'

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

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1254 days 6 hours ago...

hahajohnnyb, if ID is so useful then will you please answer my thrice stated question "where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm?", as I would like to hear your informed answer

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1254 days 6 hours ago...

If you had taken the time to read my numerous statements above, masterth, you might realize that Noah's Ark is not part of my belief system, so perhaps you might rephrase your question to a Christian or a Jew.

Let me rephrase my argument. Since there are a large group of students who are handicapped in their studies of biology by a harmless belief in creation mythology, whats the harm in telling the class, "There are some people who believe that evolution is the mechanism by which an intelligent being has designed life."???

Is there any endorsement of a religion in that statement, no. Are you forcing anyone to worship God? No. Is any student being penalized if they do not agree with that statement? No. Is any student made to feel excluded from the group if they disagree? No.

On the contrary, are students with deeply help religious beliefs against evolution penalized for their religious beliefs? Yes. Is there right to their own minds being infringed? Yes. Is their education being compromised? Yes. Are students who disagree with Evolution Theory made to feel excluded or uncomfortable if they do not agree? Yes.

Imagine if this were not the religious majority, and an obscure minority, who was suffering by not allowing alternative views in the class room, would you be willing to grant them one small concession, for the greater good of their entire education? Say a small group of students in a class are Voodoo practitioners, and they wanted to bring their Voodoo dolls into a Math exam, would you deny them? No, I bet most people would would say, "Go ahead, bring your Voodoo doll." and I bet that if some conservative group wanted to prevent these kids from bring their voodoo dolls to math class, the ACLU would throw a shit fit.

This entire thing is just about getting students over their cultural handicaps. Why is your hatred of religion so great, that you would penalize an innocent child who was brought up with these beliefs? Do you think that the role of Government is to destroy religion? In my Constitution, it says that we have Freedom of Religion, not freedom from Religion. The only way to balance the playing field for these kids might be to introduce them to Intelligent Design theories alongside with evolution.

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