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Progtologist : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Progtologist

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1256 days 22 hours ago...

Here's answering your question Elmsters.

This is taken from the so-called Verse of the Sword, Sura IX.5

X. 5: slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush

VIII. 38-39: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them?And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah.

IX. 29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

XLVII.4 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite their necks.

The last one is taken in the context of war, but you can see how easily it can be construed as supporting the killing of civilians in a "jihad" which is basically a never-ending battle.

Ra91 : LVL 18: VP 2.7: said:

Ra91

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1256 days 22 hours ago...

...because if it was true it would be terrifying...

Humans didn’t evolve from modern day monkeys, both we and them evolved from common ancestor. If Darwin was as good at PR as church he would be some kind of Buddha for 5% of earths population. Many people forget 11th commandment… “Thee shall keep thou religion to thou self”

nethermit : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

nethermit

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1256 days 22 hours ago...

whatever life is, whether we are evolved or created, just live life happy. That has never been evolved.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1256 days 22 hours ago...

Cky,

Darwin was wrong when he suggested that creature evolved gradually, evolution did not happen gradually, it happened suddenly over a single generation, so there is no missing link, never was a missing link never will be.

What happens is occasionally a mutant is born, which happens to be better adapted to living in a specific environment. This creature was able to reproduce with non-mutants of his species of origin, but the mutated genetics were passed on to subsequent generations.

Who knows if this does not happen randomly or as a result of some Divine intervention? I do not know, nor does anyone else. It might be possible that some sort of intelligent force is guiding the mutation of these genetics, because all species seem so well adapted to their ecological niches.

No, a bird is never going to lay an egg that hatches a puppy, but an australopithecine might be able to give birth to a proto-modern human, who passes these modern traits on to other Australopithecines which creates modern human offspring. This evolution would happen very quickly, and most likely not leave a fossil record.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

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1256 days 22 hours ago...

question for Intelligent design-where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm?!

CrimethInc : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

CrimethInc

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1256 days 21 hours ago...

good stuff..


And it really is f*ckin' scary...

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

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1256 days 21 hours ago...

There is just as much killing, genocide, infancide and torture in the bible as in the koran-the difference is while secularism continues to gain the upper hand in Christian states, in Islam, barring turkey, secularism is stunted by a literal translation of the koran, and thus, the Islamic states follow a system that is no longer relevant in a globalised econemy or a modern social enviroment.

In addition, by stunting the forces of modernity, such as secularism and the criticism of tradition, the Islamic states have merely squandered the immense scientific heritage gained from the greeks, persian's and roman's, plus all the great ancient empires of the middle-east, by removing the main driving force that causes humans to innovate and adapt, and partly as a result of this, the islamic world is in a poor state today, both technologically and economically.

Hence the quote "there are two types of people in this world; those with brains but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains", deeply ironic as it was spoken by an arabic scholar in the 12th century.

I am a theology and islamic studies student by the way :-)

and i would be very interested in any answer's to my above question "where were the dinosaurs on noah's ark??? next to the termites and the woodworm", as the answers never fail to amuse me.

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

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1256 days 21 hours ago...

OKOKOKOKOK i have read all of your comments, they're very smart but far as hahajhonnyb says "that Atheist are closeminded" i disagree w/ that fact because they do think more about how life started and was created . i think that christans just accept the fact that there family is christian and the whole 3/4 religion in america is chirstian that they just accept the fact and move on. I am a Atheist myself i would reather belive in evolution than a spirt that lives in the heavens that just sits there preforming miricle when millions of people our dieing of earthly causes.

MisterLas : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

MisterLas

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1256 days 21 hours ago...

^^ very true.

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

Being an atheist does not mean that you believe in evolution or not, being an atheist means that you believe as a matter of FACT that there is absolutely no chance or possibility that there is a God. To be a true atheist is more than just saying that you do not believe in Genesis or Jesus, but denying all spirituality of all forms and believing only in a narrow mindset of incomplete Science which says that life spontaneously generated itself randomly, the universe was randomly created and there is nothing greater to humanity than protozoa. This is closed minded, because there is no room for any alternative view.

Agnostics, on the other hand, say "maybe, I do not know for sure." They leave themselves open to believe the parts of religion that they agree with, they are open towards spirituality and the potential of greater powers in the Universe that we might never understand. To them, both sides could be right or wrong at the same time. They think with their own minds, and do not pretend to know the unknowable, as both religious fundamentalists and atheists do.

There are great bodies of Philosophy and thought that have to be rejected entirely by atheists, if they are to remain faithful to their beliefs, which does in fact make them closed minded.

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

I would argue that exactly because atheists moral views are shapped by modern society, that they are the most open-minded as opposed to religious literalists, no-matter how well intentioned, who use a set of moral guidelines for a modern society that were developed for a completely different society that existed thousands of years ago; it would be funny if it wasn't so true.

"there is a torch in every town and village which is the teacher, and an extinguisher, who is the priest".

faith is personal, and organised religion has no right to make moral judgements on anyone else because they don't subscribe to the same views.

"The road to destruction is paved with the high morals of the righteous".

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

i said that i would belive more of evolution than god. im not saying i belive in ither one

masterth : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

masterth

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

by the way, did you know the word agnostic means 'ignorant', in greek? i was called a fool by most religious believers for simply having not decided yet- and I thank them for helping me make my decision.

I started out as an agnostic and learned the hard way doing my subjects with a vast majority of self-righteous religious peoples, some of whom could not even take a subjective view in essays on origin of their faiths and were told to leave- the duplicity of some religious believers amazes me, those who have such faith in their respective beliefs that preach tolarence and respect, but cannot even admit that they might actually be wrong; that they condemn good people from other religions and non-religions because of essentially an opinion?

"absolutism is the epitome of hypocrisy".

I am proud to have chosen to be an atheist, and I sleep better at night for making my decision

hfghfgh : LVL 4: VP 1.3: said:

hfghfgh

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

exactly.....

hahajohnnyb : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hahajohnnyb

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1256 days 20 hours ago...

I'm not arguing for Organized Religion on any level. I think that most of them are a bunch of crooks, but I have also known true Christians who really live their faith, and take Christs teaching like "Judge not least ye be judged" and "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself" to heart and truly incorporate these teachings in their daily life.

I believe that Machevilli would be the patron saint of the world if all people abandoned religion and simply lived life for themselves and quit caring about nuturing the macro-organism of humanity, which lead lead to a World of backstabbing sneaks. Imagine living in a world of Social Darwinism, yuck.

To live a compassionate life a person has to reachout beyond their logic and reason, because love is illogical and unreasonible. But without love people will always be unfullfilled. I'm not trying to say that there is only one way to live a loving compassionate life, but to live a loving compassionate life you have to believe in something that is beyond rational comprehension.

How is an atheist going to rationalize self-sacrifice when he is sitting around contemplating morality based on modern society? He cannot, so he eventually comes to the conclusion that sacrifice must be imposed on others, so while trying to create a moral society he commits the most egregeous mistake known to the modern world, forced sacrifice. Which eventually leads to war and democide. This is way communism was never going to work.

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