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Superb episode, outlining why the death penalty is just morally atrocious.

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5/10/2006 5:17:16 PM

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Teddyslayer86 : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

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1296 days 23 hours ago...

Vid doesn't work

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d1sco5tu : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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1296 days 22 hours ago...

not working anymore?

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makusan : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

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1296 days 21 hours ago...

Broken

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Bamont : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

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1296 days 21 hours ago...

Cheesy said:"The death penalty is pre-meditated murder in its purest form. The ultimate violation of a human being. A pre-planned ritual, whose sole purpose is to cause death.

What do you expect though, we're talking about America. $=more than human life to them.

Utterly degrading."

And what precisely do you call spending millions of dollars in appeals? Giving everyone the right to their own day in court is not only a law in this country, but it's a freely given right to all those that exist within our system.

I'll put it this way - my grandmother was killed by a mass murderer back in the 60's. Do you believe that it's morally wrong to have executed that man after he cold-bloodedly, and maliciously, destroyed the lives of dozens of people? The punishment fits the crime - and it's sad that we live in such a liberal society. People continue committing crimes because of how leniant society is on them - take countries like Pakistan, where the crime rate is small. It's that way because things like being a thief, or a murderer, are punished VERY severely. It makes the populace less inclined to commit atrocious acts against the community.

I say that we have a moral obligation to punish criminals who take the life and threaten the sanctity of our society. If that means placing them to death, then so be it. The moment they took it upon themselves to end someone else's life, they gave up the ability to decide when they die. We put that in the hands of the law - and should the law deem that said person should be executed - then it's obvious that it was meant to be.

Its obvious that people like you have never lost someone to a violent crime - therefore, you could never truly understand what it means or how it feels.

Until you have, act like most other liberals on the band-wagon of being against the death penalty - and for abortion - your idealogies speak for themselves.

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EckoKingpin : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

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1296 days 18 hours ago...

blah blah blah who cares what other countries do, down here in texas we we serve all kinds of death penalties i say "eye for an eye" should be the law of the land

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cwill23 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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1296 days 17 hours ago...

So explain to me again.... Why do the idiots line up to listen to Penn and Teller? Might as well go ask Tom Cruise. Executions are more economically effective. It costs the government $30,000 a year to house a prisoner, while the execution is $200,000. So if you have the choice to keep a prisoner for life or terminate that life, the execution is better for the economy in the long run (after 7 years). The death penalty gives the government leverage over its citizens and power to enforce its own laws. The idea of getting the death penalty definitely deters me from comitting violent crimes, not that I would do them anyway ; )

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AmericanPatriot : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

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1296 days 13 hours ago...

Life in prison is not life in prison. It's giving a murderer a lifelong chance to: escape and murder, murder a guard, murder an inmate, or arrange a murder on the phone. So all you anti-death penalty people think that it was better that a murderer killed those 3 more innocent people than to have the murderer killed?

Obviously, you value a murderer's life more than 3 innocent people's lives.

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Cheesy Nimrods : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

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1296 days 11 hours ago...

The death penalty is pre-meditated murder in its purest form. The ultimate violation of a human being. A pre-planned ritual, whose sole purpose is to cause death.

What do you expect though, we're talking about America. $=more than human life to them.

Utterly degrading.

It takes me 10 seconds to copy & paste my comment back. We'll see who gets bored first.

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Nahx : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

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1296 days 5 hours ago...

AmericanPatriot: "Life in prison is not life in prison. It's giving a murderer a lifelong chance to: escape and murder, murder a guard, murder an inmate, or arrange a murder on the phone. So all you anti-death penalty people think that it was better that a murderer killed those 3 more innocent people than to have the murderer killed?

Obviously, you value a murderer's life more than 3 innocent people's lives."

Anytime someone uses this logic, it is called a slippery slope, a path of reasoning built upon unforseen events/motives. This was the same logic used by President Jackson when he ordered the death of little Indian boys during the 1800's, because one day they COULD grow up and poise a threat to him. We as a society cannot live like this, hence "Innocent until proven guilty."

Reguardless of your stance, a person still has to be OK with killing another person. Any way you rationalize it, anyway that you word it, it still boils down to, am I OK with killing another human being.

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PvtMcinnis : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

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1295 days 17 hours ago...

"The death penalty gives the government leverage over its citizens and power to enforce its own laws" said cwill23

It sure works... the pro death penatly states r such safe states(...) No1 kills anymore cuz of the fear of the DP (right.) its all abot flowers and lolipops now !

gimme a break. DP does NOT work in intimidating pple.

DP= murder, how can u say "dont kill, its bad, or else ill kill you", just doesnt make sense

b4 wondering how to deal with the criminals, maybe ask why u got alot of them, study the reasons. Right-wing sucks in that departement, left centered is by far the best deal.
From a canuck, canada rules bitches!

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Bamont : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

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1295 days 4 hours ago...

Cheesy: "It takes me 10 seconds to copy & paste my comment back. We'll see who gets bored first."

Which is the best way to completely avoid the argument. If you have an opinion to share - be prepared to back it up. If you can't, get off the boards.

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Loxy : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

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1292 days 9 hours ago...

Justifications for killing:
1) Practical, saves tax money... weak argument because it is putting convenience ahead of what is right (assuming it is right to value the life of a murderer)
2) Deterrant to killing... false as the clip points out well
3) Punishment must fit the crime... this is the only point that the clip fails to refute- it is not enough reason to dismiss fair punishment purely on the grounds of disgust that someone is dying. i.e. why is killing crminals wrong?

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Gonzohowdy : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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1290 days 2 hours ago...

Human rights for those who act human. This issue is not about morality but JUSTICE. People who take pleasure in the rape, torture and murder of others are not human and do not deserve rights.

Yeah, I can understand a situation like where a person has been abused or tortured emotionally stiking back and killing the person. Take for example a woman who has an abusive husband. One day she fights back and kills him. Fine. People like that don't so it out of habit or for pleasure.

Killers like the crips guy(after he shot the korean family he bragged about it to his buddies calling them 'buddha heads and has never apologized to the families) and the serial rapist/killer murdered for pleasure. They get a kick out of it.

In their case the death penalty is fully justified.

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nova1999 : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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1266 days 17 hours ago...

Gonzohowdy is a fag he only comes on this site so he can throw around insults thatthat he can't in real life. This man was the founder of the crips a major street gang. Why not make him use his influence for good. Instead you execute him why. He would much better benfit us by living. In the past yes death was the answer it was more efficient. People were killed within days of their sentence now it is not like that.

Gonzofaggy advocates the death penalty as he is a short sited idot. I am not merely throwing out insults. He bitchs about minor errors on peoples post and then calls them morons for it rather than act in a dignified manner. Basically he is just plain gay.

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Your_Lord : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

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1260 days 6 hours ago...

Lets just take a weapon each and just start killing everyone that way we can guarantee that the murderers, rapists, robbers, corprate whores got what was coming to them! Right?

What people seem to be overlooking is the central theme to the show: Is killing a person MORALLY wrong? Now that is the base question, don't let facts and statistics get in the way, no other circumstances, just read the question: IS KILLING A PERSON MORALLY WRONG?

If you answered 'no' may god/ gods/ Michael Jackson have mercy on your soul/ life force/ choice in reincarnation.

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