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Marcus Brigstocke rants about religion. Not for the faint-hearted! Did not see this gem on spikedhumor. So i figured. *Why not piss off more religious people*. Enjoy! PS. It's comedy

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evergrim : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:2007 Winner

evergrim

12 votes NegativePositive

88 days 6 hours ago...

If you like Marcus Brigstocke I suggest you track down his show from 2001 called We Are History. It`s a funny spoof of English historical documentaries.

Leelot : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

Leelot

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87 days 23 hours ago...

This guy`s hostility towards religion is misplaced. It isn`t necessarily faith but rather fundamentalist principles that induce violence. Nobody calls PETA a faith-based group but they still throw blood on people and act like assholes. Religion is harmless until some assbag decides it`s okay to impose his religion on others; or worse he thinks killing in the name of an ideal or god isn`t hypocritical but actually justified.

However I really liked what he said about religion in schools. Save your prayers for church, mosque or synagogue.

xinogage : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

xinogage

18 votes NegativePositive

87 days 20 hours ago...

Leelot: When your holy book tells you that you must spread your beliefs, or when your books states that apostasy is punishable by death, then religion is not harmless.

shakazzolo : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

shakazzolo

13 votes NegativePositive

87 days 20 hours ago...

I believe in freedom for everyone, if you want to wear shit to school, go ahead and knock your self out. But don`t force anyone to do anything they don`t want to.

And yes, please give us our planet back

SantaAndFriends : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

SantaAndFriends

3 votes NegativePositive

87 days 20 hours ago...

The fundamentalist principles still arise from the same texts as the moderates of the religous world Leelot. Religion is a plight to humanity in more ways than this man has spoken of, violence is not the only way these imbeciles cling onto what power they still have in this world.

Their intellectual capacity is usually criminally low and yet, we still hold these figures of faith so high up in our communities, even though time and time again they let us down. The pope is the worst of all these, his close minded approach to no contraception is causing massive problems to Roman Catholics in Africa where aids runs wild, these people hold the pope in high regard and will believe what he says.

Any attack on religion is fully justified, because for so long they have attacked everyone else and hidden behind a veil of deceitfulness and blatant lies. Enough is enough it is time for the dimantling of these groups which is laying in their ignorance so much to waste.

Enigma90 : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Enigma90

4 votes NegativePositive

87 days 13 hours ago...

"Put on a Cat Stevens record, sit down and chill out" lmao
-but the jews have been fighting over a 9 mile piece of land for years to call their own.. i feel very sorry for Israelites.
I think religion, in whole has spilt more blood and anything ever will, counting any kind of future genocide that may happen. Nearly every war is (in some way) the product of religion, or to defend their religion. ... or money, that too.
and GOD, PLEASE GIVE US A CURE FOR JAMES BLUNT!
5/5

LordMaster : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

LordMaster

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87 days 12 hours ago...

Ok, so time for a confession of mine. I have beliefs, *sigh* I know I know, you`ve just stopped reading and voted me down because that`s just not cool anymore, but it`s true. Now then, here`s another big shocker: I really enjoyed this video, he was insightful, funny and rather well-spoken. Finally, here`s my finally thought-crime: Belief doesn`t mean religion. I`ll give you a second to collect yourself. These beliefs come from whatever I`ve been exposed to in my life, wether it be Christianity, Islam, or any other system of beliefs. This doesn`t make me responsible for every sin and atrocity committed by everyone who holds any of the same beliefs. Just like being white doesn`t make me responsible for slavery or being a male doesn`t make me responsible for spousal abuse or rape. I really can`t stand it when people just lump everyone all together like that. It`s called generalization and it`s usually way off. Another thing that irks me is that people seem to think that war and religion are one and the same. They`re not. The oldest human fossils have arrows between their ribcages or holes in their heads. Humans have been killing each other for as long as it`s been possible, waaaayyyyy before faith was even a concept they could understand let allow have. Second, even after the major religions of the world were introduced, do you really expect anyone to believe that they were the sole cause of all wars or even most wars? Cause #1, territory, cause #2 government (kings, warlords etc.), cause #3 finances (theft, resources) and then comes different religions, or rather someones interpretation of it. Here`s another thing, what about in modern history? You know, the actual history that affects us now? How do you explain Stalin? Pol Pot? Or the biggest murderer in history, Mao? They were all extreme athiests. Maybe I should blame all atheists for those three. Such a retarded topic, I can`t believe I`m actually wasting my time when no one here really wants to listen anyways. Whatever, go with the flow right?

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

6 votes NegativePositive

87 days 9 hours ago...

"Lordmaster,

Might not have down voted you if you would learn to indent, and not sound like a monologue from Glen Beck guest staring on My So Called Life.

"Belief doesn`t mean religion``

- Duh. No one equates UFO abductee believers as "religious".

" The oldest human fossils have arrows between their ribcages or holes in their heads. Humans have been killing each other for as long as it`s been possible, waaaayyyyy before faith was even a concept they could understand let allow have"

- Your opinion...my reading of the fossil record is far different.
By the by...what millennia did faith come in? Love to see you prove that it doesn`t predate violence.


"Second, even after the major religions of the world were introduced, do you really expect anyone to believe that they were the sole cause of all wars or even most wars`

- Nope...just a cause that has built in justification.

"You know, the actual history that affects us now? How do you explain Stalin? Pol Pot? Or the biggest murderer in history, Mao"

-They were also "men".... had "hair".... and were "totalitarian dictators"....but no lets blame the non theology.

Which passage in the atheist bible is it that can be twisted to justify murder or genocide again?

That`s what you are missing. You rail on Atheism, when not one part of it can be manipulated in the least to justify killing. You need a prick of a god and his followers for that.

Fin : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

Fin

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87 days 8 hours ago...

awesome video and great comedy. but im a believer of God myself, so good luck everyone else and the person who posted this I`m not really sure if aestheists have any hope after death, if there is even a place since aestheists dnt believe in anything. 0-70 years you better hope its a fucking blast, because cancer or death by taxi is your friend! GG and thank you for listenting - peace!

martinimix : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

martinimix

3 votes NegativePositive

87 days 7 hours ago...

LordMaster said: "You know, the actual history that affects us now? How do you explain Stalin? Pol Pot? Or the biggest murderer in history, Mao? They were all extreme athiests. Maybe I should blame all atheists for those three."

There is no cause behind an atheist. A non-believer DOES NOT create a cause to start wars, commit mass executions and such. Mao Tse Tung and Stalin did NOT execute and exile people because they were atheists. They executed and exiled people because those people were against their Communist ideals.

There is NO cause behind an atheist. There IS cause for Christians, Jews and Muslims.

VERY BLATANTLY, it IS written in your `holy` texts that war, conquest, mass genocide, rape and theft IS warranted if those you`re committing such atrocities to are NOT of your religion. I don`t even need to `cherry pick`. There are entire paragraphs, entire chapters dedicated to such evils.

There is NO cause to an atheist. Atheists commit murders and rape and theft do so under personal agendas OR under an ideology. There is NO ideology behind being an atheist. There IS however, ideologies and interpretations in religion - in Christian religion, in Islam and in Judaism.

You may say that just because you`re Christian, it doesn`t mean you adhere to the fundamentalist extremists, BUT you and those fundamentalists follow the exact same book, the exact same laws. The only difference is YOUR personal interpretation of your own holy books and YOUR influences from the society and community you live in.

There is NO cause being an atheist, but there is ALWAYS justification and cause for being religious.

martinimix : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

martinimix

6 votes NegativePositive

87 days 7 hours ago...

Fin said: "but im a believer of God myself, so good luck everyone else and the person who posted this I`m not really sure if aestheists have any hope after death, if there is even a place since aestheists dnt believe in anything. 0-70 years you better hope its a fucking blast"

And which `god` is that? The Christian & Jewish god? The Muslim god? The gods of Shintoism? The gods of Pureland Buddhism? The gods of ancient Greece? Which `god` are you talking about?

Fin, Christians and Muslims believe that there is a reward when you die, that will take you to a place called heaven if you follow your faith. Now, which faith is that again?

Remember, Christianity is less than 2000 years old. Hinduism on the other hand is far older than Christianity. Don`t forget the religions that make up ancient Greece, ancient Egypt, ancient other empire. Even Islam isn`t that old.

So which god do you believe in again? So you`re playing it safe right? Why don`t you believe in all gods then? Why cherry pick one? Don`t you want to play it safe?

/sigh

PinkyPie : LVL 5: VP 1.4: said:

PinkyPie

3 votes NegativePositive

87 days 5 hours ago...

How can I vote this higher?

LordMaster : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

LordMaster

-2 votes NegativePositive

87 days 5 hours ago...

Good job at totally missing my point guys. The point I was trying to make is that just because I happen to share some beliefs with whoever has committed crimes doesn`t mean that I can be blamed for those crimes. I`m so sick and tired of having to bring this point up. If I say that all white people are responsible for white supremacy does that make any more sense than blaming me or anyone who shares my beliefs for those assholes who go nuts? Am I getting through to anyone?

As for my style of writing it`s very much a stream of thought. Oh, and Leigh Cedar, I really respect you based on the other comments you`ve left, you seem rational and intelligent and able to have a decent conversation, but fuck you for comparing me to Glen Beck.

Next point, seeing as how our ancestors cam on the scene some 200,000 years ago and the oldest religious documents or glyphs or pictograms aren`t nearly that old, I`d have to say that yeah violence pre-dates religion.

Beliefs are not a cause with built in justification, anyone who thinks that is being silly. Beiefs are a tool, like a hammer or screwdriver, used properly they are very useful, but used the wrong way or in the wrong hands they can hurt or kill just as easily.

A non-believer doesn`t create causes to go to war? Yeah, that totally explains everything, if only everyone was atheist, then there`d be no wars or anything, but if anyone has beliefs, there`s going to be war. Does anyone other than me realize how hypocritical that statement is? If someone with beliefs does something wrong it must be because of their beliefs, but if an atheist does something right, it`s because they`re an atheist.

Just to be clear, if you go back and check my other comments concerning beliefs, you`d find that I don`t attack atheism at all. I defend my right to have belief without being ridiculed or blamed for everything bad in the world. The few times I mention anything negative sounding about atheism is only to draw contrast to what other say about belief.

I firmly believe that everyone can make their own choices without having to justify it. As long as they don`t hurt themselves or others there`s nothing wrong with it, but no! It seems that some of the geniuses on Spiked know the one true way and answer, let`s all follow them because obviously they`ve got it all figured out for everybody. *sigh* Let`s hope that people get my point this time.

flipper_gv : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

flipper_gv

1 votes NegativePositive

87 days 2 hours ago...

^Hey, I get your point and voted you up (from -1 to 0). What people says is just that religion is often used as the excuse, what brings the population to arms to then go for the more "real" reasons (territory, commercial routes, natural resources). Just for an example, look at the crusades, they told it was to free the Sacred land. Then why Kings of France and England united their military resources to free this land? Because it was to get a commercial routes to Asia which had many stuff Europe wanted (spices, textiles, etc.). But, they played the religion card to get devoted warriors in great numbers to go there and try to take control of Israel. And, Islamic leaders did the same too!

P.S.: I really want a cure for James Blunt

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

1 votes NegativePositive

87 days ago...

^ To be fair flipper, those were the later Crusades.
The first Crusade was centrally a religious war, and Pope Urban was the main motivator. LAnd and trade was just icing on the cake.

@Lordmaster,

Hey, I`m sorry if I offended you. Glen Beck is a low blow, I admit it, but go back and reread that post of yours. Your attempt at sarcasm (or whatever it is) comes off all wrong, and I was pointing out that I wasn`t downvoting you for your religion.

"Good job at totally missing my point guys. The point I was trying to make is that just because I happen to share some beliefs with whoever has committed crimes doesn`t mean that I can be blamed for those crimes."

- We didn`t miss your point. No one has made the vast generalizations you make. If I say "religious people are responsible for war" (which I haven`t but just play along), I am not saying ALL religious people. Hell, there is no tangible number you can attach to that. But it is still a true statement.
Religion CAN be used to motivate violence through its own tenets.
Atheism cannot. Your analogy was pointless, and I think you knew it.

First you have to find the Atheist who says "war is ONLY because of religion", then you can make your argument... however I don`t think you will find that argument anywhere.

"If I say that all white people are responsible for white supremacy does that make any more sense than blaming me or anyone who shares my beliefs for those assholes who go nuts? Am I getting through to anyone?"

- No, actually it makes far less sense. Skin colour, like height, mustache possession or atheism, has NO rules or laws. You CANNOT twist the colour of someones skin into any law.

However, saying all white supremacists are responsible for white supremacy, you`d be much closer to a meaningful point.

"if only everyone was atheist, then there`d be no wars or anything,"

- Again... no one claims this (except Southpark). I would, however, go out on a limb and say that wars and violence would drop severely without religion.

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