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Filmed at The College of New Jersey, Frank Turek and Christopher Hitchens meet again in their second debate to give their arguments for what best explains reality.

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Venomousvole : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Venomousvole

6 votes NegativePositive

24 days 11 hours ago...

The only thing Turek said that wasn`t the same tired false runny word poo we hear everyday from small minded book burning psychos. Was the bit about the cause of the big bang being by definition super-natural. But untill we discover the "beanies go home" constellation, it`s a hell of a stretch to omnipotent sentience.

The issue for the average believer is the separation of god from religeous organisations, prayer does nothing you can`t do while washing dishes, a church is a trap to squeeze money from communities who could come together and sing anything, anywhere.

There was a crude video leaked years ago showing a lady called mary chipperfield who ran a circus, in the video she was beating one of the circus chimps in her care and the terrified creature screamed and held it`s arms out to her for comfort. And so all those who claim to represent a vengefull god sit on the neck of good human nature sucking vital fluid while the mentally aneamic communities seek comfort only from them. caught 22.

choreboy : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

choreboy

1 votes NegativePositive

24 days 10 hours ago...

^huh?

hogo : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

hogo

6 votes NegativePositive

24 days 9 hours ago...

wow, long watch. I enjoyed it, and learned some things.

choreboy : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

choreboy

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24 days 8 hours ago...

^try not to remember most of it.

beef n broccoli : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

beef n broccoli

4 votes NegativePositive

24 days 8 hours ago...

To answer your question Turek, sacrifice in the case of the that soldier, wasn`t wrong. He didn`t smother a grenade so that millions would be in a contractual agreement to worship him before they were born with the punishment of eternal hellfire for not doing so. What he did was pure, unadulterated instinct to protect his fellow man; WITHOUT a bible verse in mind. BTW Jesus knew he had the power to rise from death, this soldier didn`t.

Lets chuck a grenade at this religious zealot and see what he comes up with. I`m sure it`ll interesting.

canadianguy : LVL 6: VP 1.5: said:

canadianguy

2 votes NegativePositive

24 days 7 hours ago...

that trek guy sure is funny , trying to use science to back up the bible and all .

ive never read it but doesnt it go like this


god created adam, then took one of adams rib bone and created eve right?


and he left ??? so it was up to adam and eve to populate ??? everyone knows what happens if u sleep with your sister , seems those religious fellows dont

alifeva1 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

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24 days 6 hours ago...

hell yea score one for the good guys
dr. franks closing speech ftmfw

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

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24 days 4 hours ago...

@beef and broccoli,

Thank you for getting to that. Now I can just relax and point out that Turek has nothing original to say :)

choreboy : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

choreboy

0 votes NegativePositive

24 days ago...

i don`t think either of them had anything original to say....

when hitchens is asked how an athiest is supposed to know right from wrong, i`m surprised he just SLIGHTLY mentioned the countless laws that people created in government. and he never mentions that we form things like "governments" to keep the law upheld. these are both quite obvious, but of course a lot seem to be oblivious to the obvious.

it seems to me that BOTH of these guys need brush up on their science. of course a religious man will just bend the truth to make it seem like god did it anyways.

because there can`t quite be "nothing" outside of the big bang.... probably about 50-100000 billion light years away, another big bang is banigin away, along with another infinite amount of bangs elsewhere. nobody really knows... except of course for god, lol....

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

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23 days 17 hours ago...

^ My guess is that he recognizes laws and governments should be obvious...even to a creationist.

Spending time on that just (seems) to give credence to Turek`s "point" and Turek would just come back with some gem of point "then what stops governments from changing the laws"... completely missing the fact that mutability is a good thing, not a weakness.

Also, I like your proposed universe...lots of banging going on :)

beef n broccoli : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

beef n broccoli

3 votes NegativePositive

23 days 12 hours ago...

^^ I would argue that the US government at least, is no where near being run by atheists, in fact many religious people would argue that foundation of the law system owes itself to religion. Its an idea that Hitchens hates and is fighting to change. The stalemate in regards to the laws on abortion and stem cell research in the US show the grip that Christianity has on government.

My proposition is how is it that countries with a atheist populations with an excess over 90% have laws/codes of morality that intersect those of countries with a religious majority. Its seems like everyone can agree that killing is wrong so why should Christianity claim that it invented this idea.

choreboy : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

choreboy

1 votes NegativePositive

23 days 9 hours ago...

infinite banging

napalm4sd : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

napalm4sd

1 votes NegativePositive

21 days 18 hours ago...

This video was fucking awesome.

ShinyG : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

ShinyG

0 votes NegativePositive

21 days 10 hours ago...

Mr. Turek goes forth and presents many examples of agnostic and/or atheist scientist which faced with their own inability to explain a scientific theory relate to the supernatural. This is something that I think it`s fundamentally flawed about believing in a god: you unwillingly personify your own inability to understand and unwillingly influence people in a negative way by saying this is a good ENOUGH explanation: "Why did that happen? The boogie man did it!" He uses such strong examples to convince people that even the most rational humans have their limits. Last time I checked, we`re not perfect, so these arguments cannot serve as models to follow by humans with lesser intelligence, but as something Captain Obvious would say... obviously!
So let`s say the Bing Bang theory is true, this seems to fit nicely with the christian genesis. But what do we do next?
a. Do like Mr. Turek: Yay, I`m right, I can go back to church and do my daily rituals now, no need to study this any further as this particular theory proves I`m damn right!
b. Do like any reasonable scientist would do: keep researching, keep trying to discover what happened BEFORE that, expand your knowledge, question everything! Science admits "I don`t know yet!", theism doesn`t seem to, unless it`s always followed by the tagline: "I bet god did it!"
This is one fundamental attitude problem that I think leads more and more intelligent people to give up their beliefs in creationism: this stupid time constraint! Believers are always afraid of time, they want all the answers and they want them NOW! Another principle that contradicts basic scientific principles.
The funny thing is this SHOULDN`T FUCKING MATTER! The Big Bang is so far away that its influences on how we live our lives should be irrelevant. So what if there is or is not a god out there! You should prepare for the worst, i.e. there is no god and DEAL WITH IT!

Vizreel : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Vizreel

0 votes NegativePositive

21 days 4 hours ago...

Is it me or is alifeva1 the only fundamentalist on this entire site?

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