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TYT With Guest Host Sam Seder: Conservative Caller - Why Should I Pay For Someones' Health?

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DestructiveSoul : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

DestructiveSoul

14 votes NegativePositive

92 days 18 hours ago...

Ding! Right on the money.

Red Heaven : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Red Heaven

26 votes NegativePositive

92 days 17 hours ago...

This was an excellent show. Here in America we like to think that if you pull yourself up by the bootstraps the sky is the limit.

That can be true. However, I think we all forget how reliant we are on other people. Every single day we live by the support of our government. Right now everyone is comfortable enough to bitch about infrastructure -because- of our infrastructure.

And, again, hard work doesn`t equal good pay in America nor anywhere else. My family is full of men and women that work hard but are paid very little. My own father was the hardest worker in his factory and was sporting $35,000 a year. He worked his hands to the bone (sometimes literally, thanks to heavy equipment) and was given a fraction of the cash this man earns.

Like I`ve said in many of my previous posts, I live in an impoverished region of the US. This is the region where labor is cheap, and the laborers lives are even cheaper. But with this whole health care debacle I`ve come to respect everyone here all the more.

Down here where I live family and community are prized. Men and women that help others are heroes and respected. The working stiff getting paid minimum wage for jobs, that the caller in Connecticut would scoff at, are the norm.

I`m sorry to say this, my fellow Americans, but not everyone here is enjoying the life of leisure and excess. Not everyone has options, and not everyone is breaking the bank. Where I live is where corporations bring business for cheap labor. This is also where corporations leave thousands jobless when they drop the cheap labor for cheaper labor across the border.

Yes, it still happens. And I see it everyday.

exploder : LVL 49: VP 5: said:

exploder

14 votes NegativePositive

92 days 13 hours ago...

^ another branch on those thoughts...

"Here in America we like to think that if you pull yourself up by the bootstraps the sky is the limit."

The cake is a lie.

There is only room at the top for 1% of us, and 99% of those seats are ALREADY TAKEN. Those at the top are only held up so high by standing on our heads below, or on our balls. When real unemployment is somewhere around 20%, the whole equation becomes one of intolerable exploitation. IT DOESN`T MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE, THERE ARE JUST NO JOBS AT ALL FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF US. A bunch of people end up driven into the bottom NO MATTER WHAT. Too many good people suffer, for real.

The defining struggle becomes one of good people desperately trying to stay out, or claw and climb back out of the gutter, often at the expense of other good people. That top 1% love it, because we are all FOR SALE CHEAP.

Back in the 1960`s, oil was cheap, and most people had to be stupid or lazy to not have a job. People would quit grade school because they could work instead, buy a car, have fun. Those jobs often came with fairly good pay, some benefits, some amount of security. The middle class dream was truly born, and it was set in history by TV. We`re still watching the re-runs.

In 1972-73 the USA hit the peak of it`s domestic oil. That was the real turning point between actually creating wealth, and merely shuffling it around. Everything`s been on a long downhill glide since then. It hasn`t been all bad, but we`re scraping the ground now, coming down fast, landing gear gone, sparks are flying.

It`s really simple shit actually. We need to manufacture, farm, mine, build, grow, invent: REAL STUFF. Not just stock derivatives and advertising.

It is production that comes first, and when that real work is done, then we have something to consume. Notice that China now produces most of what we consume, and so they now mostly own us.

Meanwhile the 1% at the top, they don`t care. China is cheap to hire, and we will be soon as well. They still skim their cut off the top, either way.

Did you ever notice that the worse things get, the rich get even richer? They own 90% of everything and make all the decisions in their own favor. How long can we let that go on?

zecbmo : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

zecbmo

32 votes NegativePositive

92 days 12 hours ago...

i work within the hospitals here in northern ireland and last night was working in a+e (emergency room). at 4 in the morning an ambulance brought in this fella who was out for a night a lost his friends and was lying on the ground and stuck in the rain. they picked him up because they knew he wasnt safe. in america i dont know if this would happen.

here our first concern for patients is what can we do for them and are they safe.

in america the first concern seems to be does this patient have insurance.

when working with patients we dont think about cost only about helping them. most people that come in with head injuries will be sent for a CT scan to see if there is any bleeding etc. this for all patients is free. in america it is a different story where one ct scan could cost $500 up ( http://www.remakehealth.com/Head-Brain_c_896.html ).

and what does it cost me as a tax payer? very little out of every £100 i make about £20 goes to taxes. in the end it aint to much and im sure in america you already pay taxes equal to that.

if you have the money in america health care is great. if not you are doomed by a system that doesnt care.

im looking to travel now working in different countries hospitals as i go but i will never work in a system that lets the poorer citizens down.

Red Heaven : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Red Heaven

2 votes NegativePositive

92 days 12 hours ago...

^
US is a country that started off with a sort of agricultural/urban dichotomy that has dominated our politics for a very long time now.

At the moment it seems party lines are drawn across this general gap. Mind you I`m generalizing heavily, so take what you will.

What we have here is a general conservative southern region with a deep-seated history of agriculture. That sort of agricultural heritage really drives home the idea of a work ethic. While hard work is commendable, for those down South hard work is often a solution for everything. Anything can be fixed by just working harder. I imagine this came out of the farmlands where hard work, oftentimes, really did fix stuff.

My own father comes out of Louisiana. When he has troubles he can`t fix he goes and works. No raise? Work on your motorcycle. Getting laid off? Start up a vegetable garden. Fight with the wife? Go lay a brick walkway in the backyard.

The farmers of the US have a really interesting, twisting sort of history. Most people in the US were farmers. But as the decades went on and tech advanced, few are left that way. But the legacy remains and has a very, very distinct imprint.

I don`t think it comes down to being assholes and uncaring... that would be the insurance and pharmaceutical mega-corporations. It`s just we have people that mean well but are being influenced by them by pinching at their weaknesses.

In that sense these corporations have neighbors and our fellow man at each others throats.

Reggycide : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

Reggycide

5 votes NegativePositive

90 days 22 hours ago...

I bet the caller`s vehicles each have a bumper sticker that says "FUCK YOU! I GOT MINE!"

udvox : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

udvox

11 votes NegativePositive

90 days 20 hours ago...

Or a license plates that reads "WAS 150K", what a shallow prick.

That caller was a douchebag, and the host had brought up simply excellent arguments.

imjac : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

imjac

0 votes NegativePositive

89 days 20 hours ago...

Like zecbmo says, if you have the money, health care should work for you, and you guys do, you actually have the money to have a great public health care system. I know I would be so proud of Mexico`s health care if we had the money to make it decent.

rc : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

rc

4 votes NegativePositive

89 days 16 hours ago...

I love the fact that this site is visited by some actual inteligent people!!!

I really don`t understand how u can be against universal health care.

How much u earn is not down to how hard you work. There are people doing difficult and dangerous jobs for minimum/low wages and a lot of lazy fucks getting paid large amounts (thinking that they`re somehow important).

Sad thing about this world is it doesn`t matter how much you know, it`s who you know that counts.

bigbadjim : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

bigbadjim

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89 days 9 hours ago...

The government can run healthcare more efficiently? HA!!!!

Governments can`t run ANYTHING efficiently!!

JimCarrSavannah : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

JimCarrSavannah

4 votes NegativePositive

89 days 9 hours ago...

Why is the business you work for responsible for your health care?
I thought conservatives were all about taking these types of burdens off the backs of business .... yet they are all to quick to assign that particular responsibility to their employer.
They are stuck with this childish "I got more than you so I win" view on life.
If you shift the burden from the employer to the public coffers, many chronically sick people will become more productive members of society once they are well. I do not agree with the "if your not already productive and well.... then fuck ya", attitude. I don`t just believe this, I know it for a fact as I have seen it played out many, many times.

Nose Nuggets : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

Nose Nuggets

-7 votes NegativePositive

89 days 9 hours ago...

What an absurd argument. Medicare works?! are you FUCKING CRAZY?! Medicare is fucking broke people. i don`t care if everyone loves it. its unsustainable and bankrupt.

Society and the social CONTRACT states i am responsible? You need to read the constitution. i dont think it says what you think it says.

This guy even says the wars are bankrupting us, but he still wants to spend more money? Whiskey tango foxtrot?

The caller was an idiot.

xupz : LVL 46: VP 5: said:

xupz

Hidden (Show Comment) -8 votes

89 days 9 hours ago...

Anyone who claims medicare and the like are efficient is delusional. Medicare will be BANKRUPT in under 10 years.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1791298

Raptorp : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Raptorp

Hidden (Show Comment) -10 votes

89 days 8 hours ago...

Fuck you all, you worthless fucking hippie liberals. Why should the government punish people that succeed? We are going to be very disappointed when our freedoms diminish to a point that make us wake up and wonder how it all happened.

Every new law we make takes away a little more of our freedom. every new tax levied takes away more of our personal power. People can always do more with their own money/labor than someone else can.

allowing the government to control almost every aspect of our lives is SLAVERY.

phierce : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

phierce

8 votes NegativePositive

89 days 6 hours ago...

As a Canadian I`ve growin up with Government run healthcare. Although many Canadians have complaints about wait times. The reality is people need to be patient. If your seriously injured you will be taking care of immediatly. Most canadians complain about wait times cause there`s a lot of un needed non-emergency medical attention. If you lose a limb you will be helped immediatly. The difference is I won`t be asked what digit I want to keep if I cut of more then 1 finger.

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