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Ingraham puts crosshairs on Planned Parenthood: What are these people at Fox thinking?

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Sir spanks-a-lot : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

Sir spanks-a-lot

3 votes NegativePositive

117 days 19 hours ago...

i think the worker just wanted to help.

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

2 votes NegativePositive

117 days 18 hours ago...

^ Hey you`ll probably never ever hear this again from my mouth..but I agree with the dumbasses at FOX.

I`m all for legal abortions, but not contacting the police about a 31 year old knocking up a 14 year old?

That`s just wrong.

thedude9009 : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

thedude9009

0 votes NegativePositive

117 days 18 hours ago...

Interesting that how for thousands of years girls aged 12+ were not only capable of consent, but expected to be pregnant.

But now they are supposedly incapable of consent, citing psychological effects and maturity problems that have somehow magically appeared in the last century or so.

Statutory rape is fail, imo.

A 31 year old knocking up a 14 year old was normal for thousands of years... why is it so wrong now?

As long as it`s consensual, who gives a shit?

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

3 votes NegativePositive

117 days 17 hours ago...

^ Well Dude,

We recognize that those 14 year olds were not old enough back in the day, but the men didn`t care. Those girls were never making a choice they were sold off in marriages that were about land and progeny, not love or choice.

Necessity played a larger role then as well. With child infancy as bad as it was, starting pregnancy as young as possible ensured more child bearing years thus increasing the chances of children reaching maturity. Men, on the otherhand, had to be well established enough to afford the bride price to buy the poor teen or preteen, so he could rape her as young as possible to start making sons.

So, to answer your question, today we know better, we treat women as equals, and we spit on disgusting pedos like yourself.

Hope that cleared it up.

thedude9009 : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

thedude9009

0 votes NegativePositive

117 days 16 hours ago...

Based on what you just said, you are suggesting that there has never been a 14 year old girl -in the history of time- that has ever consented to sex.

Yes, in many cultures they didn`t have a choice. But of the billions of `underage` girls who have had children, I think it`s safe to say that at least some were consensual. Even if just for the sake of survival.

I`ll agree with the need for necessity; this is obvious. However, it does not demonstrate that a 14 year old girl cannot consent to sex, knowing full well what it means and implies.

Some 14 year olds aren`t mature enough to grasp the concept and implications of sex. Some could become psychologically damaged as a result. But, as history has obviously shown, some are just as ready as someone who has turned the magic age of 18.

Your resort to insults typically signifies insecurity due to lack of argument, and a lack of maturity to discuss a taboo subject in an adult manner.

exploder : LVL 49: VP 5: said:

exploder

0 votes NegativePositive

117 days 16 hours ago...

^ thedude, I totally agree. In spite of being a father of a girl who was a handfull in her teens.

It`s just more right wing Christian moral social control agenda. WHICH CAN FUCK OFF AND GO TO HELL. They don`t give a shit about young women, they just hate abortion, and will do anything to fuck up the system, play any card no matter how crap.

We have real ways to "protect our precious little girls", unlike these ASSHOLES. They just want to fill their heads full of abstinance BS, and then marry them off to have litters of pups. And then their`s the mormons...

FUUUUCK! I just hate shit like this.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher. It`s a bilogical FACT, and an historical reality we do well to remember, in spite of our nicey nice mamby pamby TV fucktard modern society.

Lord-69 : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

Lord-69

1 votes NegativePositive

117 days 14 hours ago...

Seriously tho - People make a choice if you consent when your 14 WITHOUT pressure or coercion, ITS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM.

Stop trying to regulate peoples choices when it effects themselves.

Here in Quebec, 14 is the age of consent, as long as your partner is not in a position of authority such as teachers,police,caretaker etc...

Sounds decent to me, but why do i expect more from the puritan retards inside the U.S

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

2 votes NegativePositive

117 days 7 hours ago...

Wow, usually I agree completely with you two, but I just can`t today.

"Your resort to insults typically signifies insecurity due to lack of argument, and a lack of maturity to discuss a taboo subject in an adult manner."

- No, it was perhaps an overreaction. Reading your comment the first time I saw someone trying to manipulate history to make sex with a 12 year old "okay". Now that I read it again, I think you more likely just haven`t thought about, and you were honestly oversimplyfing things.

I can discuss taboo subjects, especially hypothetical ones, just fine thanks. But when I see someone abusing history (as I saw it) to justify an adult and a pre teen having sex, I get a little heated.

My view is that 12 year olds were NEVER able to consent to sex, and nothing has changed in the bast couple centuries except our realization of that fact.

If you want to make that argument, you can`t use the history as an argument. Men were in charge, women and no say 99.999% of the time.
Even if you found a documented case of a 12 year old saying yes to an adult male where it was her consensual choice... the onus would still be on you to prove there was no coercion involved. Even then you would still have to make the psychological argument that a 12 year olds choice is not only valid in this matter, but also that the individual choice didn`t end up being a mistake.

We decide as a society when people can drink, drive, vote, etc. Sex should be in there as well. If you want to argue changing the ages for those things as a society...fine, I`m all ears. But I won`t say just ignore the law...especially if you are an organization that receives federal funding.

thedude9009 : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

thedude9009

0 votes NegativePositive

117 days 6 hours ago...

Rules are rules, and I`m not defending the woman in the clip.

I simply have a problem with how cut and dry statutory rape laws can be, and how it fucks a lot of harmless people over.

You say that I am manipulating and abusing history, but the only point that you have disputed in this regard is the fact that preteens can/cannot consent to sex.

Though people don`t like to think about it, 12-14 year olds are (depending on puberty, personality, etc.) often able to enjoy sex.

I remember that when I was 12-14 I wacked it like 10 times a day, and would`ve gladly railed any woman that you would have put in front of me.

Ever seen those episodes on Maury with the preteens who have sex all day long with random dudes for money/attention/conception/rebellion etc.? Regardless of motive, this is clearly consent.

Idk how old you are, but when I was in middle school there were several 12-14 year old girls who were quite promiscuous for many of the same reasons (and I went to private school). Some of them just enjoyed sex and the attention that it brought them. Again, consent.

As I said, I`m sure that sexually active preteens could be subject to psychological harm. But, being the reasonable person that you are, you must agree that to say that every preteen girl in existence is incapable choosing to have sex is absurd.

I don`t bring up this discussion because of some perverse sexual fetish. I just hate to see a 19 year old go to jail for having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend even though they were in a loving, consensual relationship.

And all because the parents/state found out, and flipped shit. I also think that it`s fucked up that even if the `victim` readily defends the `perpetrator,` it means nothing.

Now, if statutory rape was only for cases in which psychological harm could be proven (via an independent, licensed professional), then that would be acceptable, imo.

LeighCedar : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

LeighCedar

2 votes NegativePositive

117 days 2 hours ago...

Enjoyment of Sex doesn`t mean anything, as I`m sure you also recognize.
I was masturabating before I was sexually mature, that doesn`t mean I was ready for sex, or that saying yes to a 30 year old woman would have been a good thing.

"and I went to private school"
- Not surprising, my own high school integrated the Private and public Elementary kids, and the private kids were the smokers and "sluts".

"Idk how old you are"

- 27, but I`ll admit bias, I`m one of those odd 20 somethings that isn`t attracted to those say, 22 and younger for the most part.

Yes the statutory rape laws are ridiculous sometimes, as in your example of a 19 and a 16 year old (although anyone but a highschooler wanting to go out with a 16 year old girl probably has problems), but that doesn`t mean we should do away with them, we should just modify them. SHould the 19 year old get charged? Probably not (depending on the details). Should a 31 year old? Hell yes.

In your world view Dude, what is the age of consent? With hormones in meat and milk, some girls can potentially be "sexually mature" before they are 10... should they make the decision on how old is too old?

Finally, I apologize then. It did seem in your first statement that you were defending the woman by using your historic marriage ages. I take back my unkind slur :)

CombatWombatSquid : LVL 9: VP 1.8: said:

CombatWombatSquid

2 votes NegativePositive

117 days 1 hour ago...

thedude9009 using historical laws to back up moral judgement is a very very shakey path. Interracial marriage was not legal in America until the late 60`s...does that make it acceptable?

I think its more of what it says about say a 30 or 20 year old guy being turned on by and deciding to have sex with 12/14 year olds that is the problem. 12 year olds having sex with other 12 year olds is fine, but an old guy finding himself sexually attracted to girls that young and acting on it is problematic. You dont `accidentally` fuck a 12 year old.

thedude9009 : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

thedude9009

1 votes NegativePositive

110 days 22 hours ago...

Wow, I chose the wrong time to go to Honduras. :/

Apology accepted. Now that I reread my first post, I can see how you could perceive that.

I think that the age of consent varies too much per individual to set a certain concrete standard. Now, I know that this doesn`t work in reference to the law; you HAVE to have some kind of standard/cutoff.

I don`t necessarily have a solution (besides the oversimplified one that I previously mentioned), I just felt the need to rant about how flawed I think the system can be.

I`ll admit that the 31/14 example is (clearly) inappropriate. I guess my points are more applicable to cases that would be more of a gray area (19/16, etc.).

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