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cann0nf0dder : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

cann0nf0dder

2 votes NegativePositive

142 days 2 hours ago...

Scary thing about this is that children fit right in the middle, pime to be taken advantage of.

Grothesk : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

Grothesk

3 votes NegativePositive

135 days 16 hours ago...

What do you expect?

Atheism on the topic of death: your life meant nothing as you are equal to every other person who has died because you`re all dead. It doesn`t matter if you lived a rich life, a full life, an evil life, a good life, a pathetic life, died in happiness or died in desolation and pain because you`re dead and there is nothingness. The mourners should not mourn because they will (relatively soon) not care once they are dead. Nothing means anything and everything means nothing.

Religion on the topic of death: live by certain rules and you may be rewarded with a heaven or at the very least an afterlife of consciousness or choose to live life against these rules and suffer the effects of hell or the above scenario. Your life DID mean something and your actions have consequences to them and your life`s actions will have meaning in some fashion. Loved ones can properly mourn because your life did mean something and it will endure even after they pass.

Which one of those sounds better to you?

PernStar : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

PernStar

1 votes NegativePositive

135 days 16 hours ago...

^
Still has no bearing on whether or not it`s true, and that`s the most important thing.

McSweeney : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

McSweeney

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135 days 16 hours ago...

^actually, your first paragraph describes nihilism more then atheism..... As an atheist I see death as the end, so I try to live my life to the fullest and be happy rather then live for some fake deity and hope and pray that I`ll end up in heaven. The fact that some people need to be rewarded with "heaven" before they will do anything to help another person makes me sick.

Grothesk : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

Grothesk

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135 days 15 hours ago...

I was focused more towards nihilism in my description but how is nihilism not the most logical end of atheism; the universe is billions of years old and the Earth is just as ancient...your eighty years on this planet is less than a sigh in the history of time and you think you mean anything at all? You think you have any impact upon anything? Two hundred years ago you and I had great-great-great grandfathers but whether they lived a great life or a pathetic life means nothing to us now and it means nothing to them now as they`re dead.

If I`m wrong on this please let me know but: one day we`ll be dead and nothing will mean anything to us. We will be equal to Hitler and Jesus and Mother Theresa and Jeffrey Dommer and the 9/11 hijackers. Their lives will be equal to our lives insomuch that we`re all completely equal in death.

huntsman_420 : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

huntsman_420

1 votes NegativePositive

135 days 12 hours ago...

Grothesk, I like your thought process.

Red Heaven : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Red Heaven

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135 days 2 hours ago...

^^
Athiesm doesn`t have a logical conclusion.

In fact, Athiesm doesn`t have a conclusion. What you`re coming up with there is just nihilism, and in no way is related to Athiesm.

If anything, if we`re supposed to accept some sort of lie in order to give meaning to our life... what does that imply? How is that any less meaningless, living under a guise of false authority created to make us comfortable? How is that noble in any sense of the word?

Why is it that we have to make up stories in order to mandate that people behave and enjoy themselves? Why can we not buckle down and face the reality of the situation. Yes, I`m sorry, everyone gets to die peacefully for all time. Good or bad. Just like it rains for good and evil alike, and the sun hides its face from no one.

Death is the great limiter, and legacies go on through memory. Religion or spirituality are not the ones that catalog the vast expanses of time... historians do. Religion and spirituality don`t mourn the loss of the dead... friends and family do.

We mourn the dead and remember the dead because we love them.

We should behave and cherish our fellow man, and they in turn, because everyone can live their lives happily.

Instead of turning to made-up stories and imaginary figures in the sky we should bring our gaze back down. We should turn our gaze to -us- and our fellow persons.

We need to realize that we do leave legacies, and we do pass on our decisions and imprints to the next generation. When we grow sad about us being forgotten... that`s life. The next cycle of people come forward and bring their stories, lives, and experiences... REAL ONES, not myths... and the cycle goes on.

We can`t hog the stage forever. We must tip our hat, bow for our life`s performance, and send off the next act.

RockGuitarist309 : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

RockGuitarist309

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134 days 17 hours ago...

Grothesk...You live on through your legacies. Yes, what you accomplish in the span of your own life is extremely small when compared to the span of the history of the world/universe. But regardless of how little impact a person thinks they have, the world in some shape or form would be completely different without them. I would rather teach people (and my kids if/when I have any) to have values without the guise of religion. Knowing that someone is doing something because THEY want to is much more satisfying than knowing they are doing something because it fulfills their plan to get to heaven(or other afterlife).

Grothesk : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

Grothesk

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134 days 15 hours ago...

All of the above is stated with the full assumption that religion harbors absolutely no truth and has no redeeming value at all. I would contend that if we`re trying to be "rational" and "logical" that we should avoid extremes as such.

The problem I have with atheistic morality is that it has no foundation: the rules are simply made up. Atheism is the culmination of arbitrary (meaning it has no value unless we give it value) morality because there is no trusted authority to draw the line; instead we rely upon our fickle standards at this moment to define the morality of any given act. This is where many people have a problem with religion is because it CHANGES what it says throughout time (even though it claims to be timeless). The same holds true of any subjective morality system because you make up the rules as you go along. Sure, it was a horrendous mindfuck to even THINK about killing a baby before it was born about 100 to 200 years ago but it`s now under the guise of "unalienable rights" now. Gay couples and men with numerous wives were the commonplace just a paltry 600-700 years ago but now polygamy is illegal and a gay person can only get married in TWO states in the "most free country in the world"?

Man`s morality system is fluid, arbitrary and has absolutely no foundation. Today you may be morally justified in killing an intruder and tomorrow you could be executed for murder for the exact same act. The inconsistency and pure present state of what atheists call "morality" is a joke that is simply made up by what society (yeah, there`s a GREAT source) and the fickle and near-sighted individual claims it is right now.

afrochapin : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

afrochapin

0 votes NegativePositive

134 days 13 hours ago...

^ What if I blow up the earth?

Red Heaven : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Red Heaven

0 votes NegativePositive

134 days 12 hours ago...

^^
Grothesk, again, Atheism doesn`t -have- a morality and isn`t concerned with morality. Atheism merely states that there is no God/god/goddesses/pantheons/etc.

Morality is a subject of philosophy and ethics.

Secondly, no one contends religion is wholly false. Many world religions offer different methods of thinking as well as many nuggets of wisdom.

But if you want to claim religion has acceptable, unchanging codes of morality (particularly in the case of the Bible/Qur`an) you are particularly mistaken. Unless you`ve been hiding under a rock, or sleeping during history classes, both those books are hardly inherently moral. Try not to overlook the subjugation of women and rules for being a good slave master.

Of course, picking and choosing morals out of the bible would also be fluid and arbitrary too, wouldn`t it?

Vuarra : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Vuarra

0 votes NegativePositive

132 days 18 hours ago...

^ about picking and choosing morals... all the Christians that I know are really good at it. Since I`m talking about a group larger than 50 people... let`s just say I don`t think I`m talking about the fringe nutcases.

Be whatever you want to be... just be careful to get involved in an organized religion... You`re a Christian on the inside, you believe in Churchianity on the outside, where everyone can see you.

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