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Human VS Gorilla skeleton. Why does the idea of a common ancestor sounds so absurd to them?

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Amendment IX : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

Amendment IX

43 votes NegativePositive

164 days 14 hours ago...

Oversimplifying science is NEVER the answer to anything.

Phanto : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Phanto

2 votes NegativePositive

164 days 12 hours ago...

^^
I know. But otherwise it`s too complicated for the creationists to bother trying to understand.

I`m not calling them dumb, I`m calling them intellectually lazy. They don`t even bother informing themselves because just believing in the simplest explanation is easier for them. You can tell in most of their "arguments" that they don`t even understand the theory of evolution. And there are tons of articles explaining the theory of evolution and showing supporting evidence available everywhere in libraries and the Internet but they don`t bother reading them. As soon as they see a long text they close their minds and say "fuck that, I ain`t reading that". A bit like most of the idiots who will vote this comment down without even reading it.

There are enough explanations and evidence out there so adding more argumentation won`t change crap. This picture is not a scientific argument. It is a way to get them off their guard before they close their minds and spark curiosity in their mind. And maybe, just maybe one or a couple of them will decide to seek information about the theory of evolution because of that and will realize how the religious leader they were listening to was full of crap and had no idea of what he was talking about.

that1guy : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

that1guy

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164 days 7 hours ago...

Creationism is absurd.

But let`s be honest evolution doesn`t make all that much more sense.

VegaObscura : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

VegaObscura

11 votes NegativePositive

163 days 16 hours ago...

I`m an evolutionist myself, but I do hate how most evolutionists think they know how everything came to be. Let`s just assume that our (the evolutionists) side of the argument is correct and we started as single cell organisms. How did those single cell organisms get there? There had to be a first, and they had to come from something before that. What made the first life form? This is the point where most evolutionists start making things up. But it is rather childish to say someone else is wrong when you don`t know the real answer yourself. I don`t believe in traditional creationism, but I`m certainly not about to tell someone to "get a clue" on a subject I don`t know the truth about either.

sdsunick76 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

sdsunick76

7 votes NegativePositive

161 days 15 hours ago...

As a scientist myself, I know that evolution of entities is essential for survival. However, like Vega, I agree we can never know what "started it all". Personally, I`m a believer in Aristotle`s Metaphysics: that
1. There is something moving.
2. Everything that moves is put into motion by something else.
3. But this series of antecedent movers cannot reach back infinitely.
4. Therefore, there must be a first mover (which is a being capable of existing thru time, IE God).
That`s what I believe, because it makes sense to ME. But it doesn`t to everyone...I don`t understand why people insist on saying that their way "is the best"...

M3t4lBa5si5t : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

M3t4lBa5si5t

-1 votes NegativePositive

161 days 14 hours ago...

This new trend of atheists and evolutionists trying to impress their views upon everybody else on the internet is getting real old real fast. If your beliefs don`t hurt me and mine don`t hurt you, then who cares? Believe what you want to believe and I`ll believe what I want to believe, get the fuck over it already.

@phanto, to me your post seems both stereotypical and hypocritical. You`re saying that creationists are lazy minded and have never studied the theory of evolution, but have you ever studied the theory of creation or any other religion yourself? Or do you just believe what you have been told?

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

4 votes NegativePositive

161 days 13 hours ago...

^ Working back up the List

@ M3t4,

"but have you ever studied the theory of creation"

- You show your own ignorance here...there is no "theory" of creation. Not in a scientific sense anyway, which is what you are suggesting by comparing it to the theory of natural selection.

"If your beliefs don`t hurt me and mine don`t hurt you, then who cares?"
-No one...but often religious belief does hurt those who don`t believe in it. It is important to continually remind those of a religious persuasion that they could be wrong and they do not hold "truth".


@Vega and Sds,

Read up on abiogenesis. Its more than likely the correct theory on the origins of life. There was even a great video recently on Spiked about how the tests on it are working out recently.


Sds, the prime mover "argument" is poor logic, and even worse science. I`m sure if you are a scientist you already know the problems with it.

@that1guy,

Evolution actually makes a ton of sense if you bother to try and understand it. It is by leaps and bounds the best of possible answers.


@Amendment IX,

I`m not actually sure what your problem is with the humorous poster. It is not claiming to be definitive proof, so what is actually wrong with it?

Phanto : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Phanto

1 votes NegativePositive

161 days 12 hours ago...

@ M3t4lBa5si5t
I`ve listened to many of their arguments and "proof" videos.

Most of the creationists I`ve discussed with or heard from don`t understand the principles of rational thinking (for example some of them rely on circular logic and don`t understand why it is not a good thing and/or rely on extremely doubtful "evidences" but they think that they are irrefutable).

Otherwise they are simply not informed enough on what they are talking about. I admit that I`m no evolution expert but I know that a person who say something like "how come evolution exists, I`ve never seen a monkey giving birth to a human" is someone who has no idea of what he`s talking about.

And that being said I`ve even spent more than an hour listening to that guy`s "logical evidence of God" at the Atheist Experience show to really understand his argument. And it was flawed too.

huntsman_420 : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

huntsman_420

-2 votes NegativePositive

161 days 10 hours ago...

To author of picture. If it hasn`t or can`t be proven, its not fact. Evolution makes sense in may ways, but also fails in many others. Maybe one day you can justify being a pompous ass, but until then have an open mind or you will never know the truth.

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

0 votes NegativePositive

161 days 9 hours ago...

^ Actually, Evolution is a "fact" in the same way Gravity is a fact.

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

It just happens to also be the name most attributed to the theory as well. The theory part comes in with Natural Selection and mate selection :)

Vuarra : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Vuarra

-2 votes NegativePositive

161 days 6 hours ago...

Gravity is not a fact. It is a theory... at least until they either prove the existence of a graviton, or at least unify the matter-energy chain... so you may as well say that evolution is not a fact, but neither is gravity, and when you float away from the Earth`s surface, you may then start laughing at me. Until then, stop braying that your God made you perfectly, wearing the latest fashion`s hats.

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

3 votes NegativePositive

161 days 5 hours ago...

^ Yes Vuarra, They are both as strong as you can get in science without being math as I understand it.

The problem is people accept Gravity as fact, but not evolution, when both are the same in scientific terminology.

But you are still a bit wrong. Even if we find that the theory of gravity is wrong, we would be unlikely to re-label the term. We would probably say, We need a new way/theory to explain "gravity"...we wouldn`t say that things no longer fall towards massive bodies.

Same with evolution. Evolution happens. Proof is everywhere.
If one day we find out that the theory is wrong, we won`t get rid of evolution, but rather the mechanism that explains the how behind it.

jfgb : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

jfgb

2 votes NegativePositive

160 days 19 hours ago...

Damn, gorillas have more ribs.

tokentiki : LVL 48: VP 5: said:

tokentiki

1 votes NegativePositive

160 days 16 hours ago...

i can debunk christianity with homosexuality. In all sections of christianity they look down upon homosexuality and believe it is a sin. Lone and behold science has enlightened us that homosexuality is a common in nature happening in most if not all species. Remember god created...everything. Now what your telling me is god is a moron that creates things that he hates and thinks you deserve to go to hell for. Well if this is true...your god would be considered mentally sick as this qualifies basically as animal abuse.

huntsman_420 : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

huntsman_420

1 votes NegativePositive

160 days 12 hours ago...

Why do mammals from impala in Africa to polar bears in Canada, kangaroos in Australia, deer, elk, monkeys, gorillas... Why do they all still have fur, regardless of climate, and we don`t? Why would we evolve to be inferior and vulnerable, to have a need for clothing and heat sources? Not to mention physically weaker, clumsier... I know someones going to say "our brains are superior, so we can make clothes, etc..." But before our brains reached that point, why would we begin to take on a less efficient posture, and loose our ability to handle harsh climates?

And for tokentiki^ : The purpose of sex is reproduction. Evolution should have or has fine tuned our methods of reproduction, right? Gays can`t reproduce, their flawed genetics should have been left behind long ago. Long ago like in the first stages of life on earth. like when there was just single cell organisms or whatever.

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

4 votes NegativePositive

160 days 9 hours ago...

" Why do they all still have fur, regardless of climate, and we don`t?"

Actually.... we do still have fur! And not just in certain places.
In the womb we go through an earlier primate stage where we are covered in fur like hair, a throw back to our early ancestors, much like our fish stage of development :)

"Why would we evolve to be inferior and vulnerable"

This is your opinion.... we are not scientifically "inferior". And we are only vulnerable in different ways to other creatures.

"to have a need for clothing and heat sources?"

Well, we mostly didn`t need these when we were evolving so I think you are missing the point. We evolved to be (mostly) hairless in a very pleasant Africa. Once we moved out of the forests evolving furless frames may have helped us stay cool. There is also some thought (although not very popular) that part of human evolution happened in semi aquatic environments. There fur can be useless, so selection could favor less hirsute individuals (interestingly this could also explain our webbing between digits...but as I said, this is not a popular theory).

Evolution of Human Body louse (which live in clothed humans not naked humans) also suggests that we lived without clothes for about 1 million years without hair. Africa treated us just fine for that.

Fur and hair is by no means a crucial trait. Elephants and Rhinos found it profitable to lose it, as did the ancestors of whales and dolphins when they took to the sea.

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

4 votes NegativePositive

160 days 9 hours ago...

" But before our brains reached that point, why would we begin to take on a less efficient posture"

Again, you are trying to make your opinion into science... the two do not mesh.

Our posture is quite helpful from an evolutionary standpoint. Standing allows us to see further (especially in the Savannah where we evolved)giving us the ability to spot prey or predators. It kept our hands free for gathering food, eventually using tools, and escaping back into trees.
Bipedalism also may have helped our brains evolve in the long run. So, just because you don`t understand something does not make it a negative.

Science on homosexuality and evolution is still in its infancy, but there are a number of interesting studies and theories on why it exists...and they fit in nicely with evolution.
For example the best studies tend to show that homosexuality may be a reaction to the mothers system against her babies. It tends to affect later children in families with many siblings more often, and if this is shown to be true could actually be evidence for some sort of natural population control.
Gay people don`t compete for mates, and thus can benefit the population by hunting and gathering, without potentially lethal competition in mating season.
Homosexual contact in the animal world seems to be a sort of stress relief valve (yes that sounds dirtier than I intended)so it may have started as only an act, and evolved into full on homosexuality in the long run.
But again, this is all very new science.

Any other questions?

Edit:

Rowdy, excellent link. It illustrates perfectly what you are saying, and shows how our evolution is tailor made for africa. Great stuff.

RowdyTavern : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

RowdyTavern

3 votes NegativePositive

160 days 8 hours ago...

Our ancestors were by no means weak, frail ect. They were and are some of the deadliest hunters the animal kingdom has ever known. Having great stamina, intensity, intelligence and a dogged determination early homosapiens would literally run down prey to exhaustion then swoop in for the kill. Frail? weak? No, I think not. On thing for sure, nature only favors the strong and our species has the monopoly.
For the type of evolutionary niche our ancestors filled, having fur would be a liability

Some humans still practice this ancient method of hunting check out this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8

Phanto : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Phanto

1 votes NegativePositive

160 days 4 hours ago...

@huntsman_420:
"Why do mammals from impala in Africa to polar bears in Canada, kangaroos in Australia, deer, elk, monkeys, gorillas..."
-Because the continents are moving and used to be all together. Also, kangaroos are not mammals. They`re marsupials.

"Why do they all still have fur, regardless of climate, and we don`t?"
We do have remainings of fur but our need for fur decreased. Fur requires resources to grow. If the fur is not required it will be evolved out because it is a waste of resource for the body. Other mammals did the same. For example, some species of moles are furless and on top of that they`ve also become almost completely blind because there is no need for eyesight for these animal`s lifestyle.

"Why would we evolve to be inferior and vulnerable, to have a need for clothing and heat sources?"
The ancestors of humans originated from Africa. We became physically inferior to some other species because the invention and use of increasingly developed tools removed the need for sheer strength. Strong bodies require more food to develop so it evolves out if not required.

"Not to mention physically weaker, clumsier... I know someones going to say "our brains are superior, so we can make clothes, etc..." But before our brains reached that point, why would we begin to take on a less efficient posture, and loose our ability to handle harsh climates?"

Hands were more useful than paws for the survival of the species. The upright posture was more appropriate for the lifestyle the species adopted, being able to carry and use tools better. As I said, the ancestors of humans originated from Africa so there was no need to be able to survive cold climates. As the humans started to colonize colder locations, they invented clothing to protect themselves.

VegaObscura : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

VegaObscura

1 votes NegativePositive

159 days 18 hours ago...

@Phanto:"@huntsman_420:
"Why do mammals from impala in Africa to polar bears in Canada, kangaroos in Australia, deer, elk, monkeys, gorillas..."
-Because the continents are moving and used to be all together. Also, kangaroos are not mammals. They`re marsupials."

He never said they were. Read it carefully. He was listing mammals, polar bears, kangaroos, deer, elk, monkeys, and gorillas all as separate animals.

LeighCedar : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

LeighCedar

0 votes NegativePositive

159 days 17 hours ago...

^ Right, but it was a moot point anyway.

Phanto : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Phanto

-1 votes NegativePositive

159 days 11 hours ago...

^^
If you analyze the sentence carefully you`ll see that the animals he cited were examples of "mammals". His sentence could be broken down to "why do mammals like (list of examples) all still have fur?".

Anyway, as leighCedar said, it`s a moot point anyway.

VegaObscura : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

VegaObscura

1 votes NegativePositive

158 days 23 hours ago...

A moot point it may be.

Regardless, marsupials are mammals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsupial

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