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Chomsky On Education

Noam Chomsky speaking on the Manufacture of Consent; March 1990, in Wisconsin. It was aired on the cable program Alternative Views in 1991.

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sato : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

sato

5 votes NegativePositive

222 days 2 hours ago...

i dunno if i agree with his first main point, a lot of students will say "i`m not doing this, it`s stupid" to every assignment because they`re lazy excuse-mongers (of course there are other who also say `this is stupid` but then go and put effort into something else). he`s right on about the japanese though, the kids don`t even do experiments in class, the best they get is a teacher might demonstrate one in front once in a while. at my school a lot of teachers have said yeah it`s a boring way to study, but suggest changes and everyone gives the same "...that`s not how we teach in japan". the same goes for sports, hence why the japanese are terrible at tennis and basketball but good at baseball which is much more controlled/formulaic. even when they consistently lose they won`t change training methods, just insist that the players need to train longer.

edit for commenter below:
your logic is flawed... a 90 average means you sorced highly on tests, but gives no comparison to any other americans and especially not to other countries. in the 2008 UN education index, the top 5 countries are australia, denmark, finland, new zealand, and canada. the usa is down at number 20 and japan wa down at number 33. the `being born into the system` theory is also illogical, since all people in a given country are part of the same educational system, if it was purely about the system and not about individual effort, the results would be the same. some students excel while others who make excuses for not making any effort score poorly.

Pacifist : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Pacifist

4 votes NegativePositive

214 days 17 hours ago...

I disagree, people who are what you describe as "lazy excuse-mongers" are just the product of the "system". Everything is. Children do not shape the system, they are born into it. As we all were. Unless you base your thinking on genes, which is equally retarded.
Also, I was raised under the "Japanese system" which is as Japanese as it is S Korean, Chinese, and Eastern European from grades 1 through 8, and I emigrated from Hungary to Canada in grade 9. And it was explicitly obvious to me, as well as my German immigrant friend, that Canadians, and I assume Americans, have the best education ever!
Dude, I was baked everyday in grade 12 and I got 90 average lol. Soo fucking jokes. Where I come from, I`d be on the fuckin streets begging with that kind of mentality.

samsonl310 : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

samsonl310

4 votes NegativePositive

214 days 11 hours ago...

You being baked in grade 12 and still getting a 90% Average, should only tell you how "Curbed" the Canadian and American system is. (Not that am against MJ....:) )

What marks their common factor is that the system is designed to run the "Machine", which we call Democracy...

Just as the man said, "The System" still has to have its Engineers and Scientists to help run things.. But we can`t have everyone being Engineers and Scientist...

Sadly enough, this was done almost 20 years ago. It`s even worse now. And in my many decades of living, I can say that our education system is nothing like it was in the 60`s or even 70`s. Most kids..(Not all)...are being taught in a very different manner of thought and learning process.

The only advice I can give is; don`t be a herd of sheep people...Question everything and never give up your naturally born curiosity to your surroundings and then some.

d1dgreat1 : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

d1dgreat1

3 votes NegativePositive

214 days 5 hours ago...

hear hear.

The education system needs a reform, not just health care.. cough* Obama.

Why spend billions of dollars on keeping unhealthy people alive, whilst the future gets left behind.

By taking care of education, health care will be a surplus in the future. The reason for high cost of health care now is that there aren`t many students qualified to go to med-school. The current doctors are flooded with patients specially here in Florida. One has to think long term not just "the next four years, or if re-elected, eight"

We want a better education system and we want it NOW!!!

Stimulate that Obama.

Venomousvole : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

Venomousvole

1 votes NegativePositive

214 days 3 hours ago...

consume, marry and reproduce, no original thought, obey, money is your god.

Ironic that Japan with all it`s obedience has produced some of the most original thought in the world in the last decade.
Testament to the difference between obedience and discipline methinks.

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