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The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-winged interceptor aircraft, designed and built by Avro Aircraft Limited in Canada. Not long after the 1958 start of its flight test program, the development of the Arrow was abruptly and controversially halted, sparking a long and bitter political debate.

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fryser_d : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

fryser_d

33 votes NegativePositive

225 days 10 hours ago...

And for people who think it`s nothing, well think that the world plane fleet was still made with planes with the propeller in front.

And we came out with that fucker that can go up to Mach 2...

s3r4ph : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

s3r4ph

2 votes NegativePositive

225 days 9 hours ago...

I don`t think it`s nothing, it just wasn`t practical

had a range of about 400 miles and couldn`t maneuver worth a piss

and don`t get me started on the cost

in all seriousness though it was an incredible plane for the time

fryser_d : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

fryser_d

19 votes NegativePositive

225 days 5 hours ago...

CF-105 Arrow: 360 NM (410 mi, 660 km)
F-16 : 340 mi (295 nm, 550 km)

And they built 5 prototypes, the first of its kind...
In 1950s where are you gonna find jet engine? U gonna call Boeing, Roll royce, Lockheed Martin?? They had to built it from scratch...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orenda_Iroquois

s3r4ph : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

s3r4ph

10 votes NegativePositive

225 days 4 hours ago...

I appreciate your interest regarding fighter jets.

The f-16 has a 340 mile combat radius when it`s status is CAT III. Or weighed the hell down with over 6 thousand pounds of bombs, not including missiles. That`s excluding the extra fuel tank it carries (total max takeoff weight around 40k, the arrow was over 65k lbs). The f-16 is much more effective as an air-to-air fighter. I can`t say for sure it`s effective combat range in air-to-air fighting but it`s much farther. Not to mention it`s much smaller and way more maneuverable than the arrow.

Anyway it was developed about 20 years after the arrow. I would never really compare the two.

I think the arrow is a badass plane. Like I said before, it was just impracticle especially for the time period.

::edit:: Yes the Orenda Iroquois was an awesome engine but they definately could have used someone elses since there were plenty of jet engine manufacturers at the time.

Cahu : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Cahu

10 votes NegativePositive

224 days 12 hours ago...

Its kinda creepy whenever you find out the military has delayed technological advances. Its like they`re saying "Not yet, not yet..." like its all planed out.

gremwood : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

gremwood

6 votes NegativePositive

224 days 11 hours ago...

I still wonder what Canada would`ve been like if this made it through. Although an elephant compared to the agile jets of today, this was quite a plane.

scuba21 : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

scuba21

20 votes NegativePositive

224 days 11 hours ago...

just keep in mind, when avro Canada went under from the loss of the arrow there, the engineers that worked on it went to NASA and got the Americans to the moon with the help of the germans from project paperclip.

Gusthebus : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

Gusthebus

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224 days 8 hours ago...

Ah yes, Canada got us to the moon... C`mon eh.

I love how every historical achievement attributed to the US is always "reclaimed" by another country that doesn`t get credit for it.

The light bulb, the car, the computer, the pet rock. Ok Canada, you can have the pet rock.

Valaur : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Valaur

4 votes NegativePositive

224 days 6 hours ago...

The reason why it was shunted was because our fearless leader at the time, Prime Minister Diefenbaker, made a deal with the United States to shut down the program in exchange for a few cruise missiles - missiles that didn`t work; missiles that we had no use for since NATO and NORAD were founded.

Wayans : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

Wayans

13 votes NegativePositive

224 days 6 hours ago...

^^Scuba wasn`t saying Canadians got us to the moon, or was trying to belittle the American achievement of getting humanity there. He is just saying that a lot of smart people from the Avro Arrow project went on to bigger and better things. Things that altered the course of history. He is trying to point out that yes, Canadians are able to achieve very lofty goals.

kirbybc : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

kirbybc

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224 days 3 hours ago...

Wow Canada built something cool. NOT!... Fail.
"Biter debate" Why should we build our own aircraft when we can just have the Americans build one for us. Then we can eat the fruits of their labor. "End of debate"

Phanto : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Phanto

11 votes NegativePositive

224 days ago...

^^
Die hard Fox News watcher above me

Flashback : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Flashback

8 votes NegativePositive

223 days 23 hours ago...

@ kirbybc

The zipper
The Alkaline Long-Lasting Battery
Ardox Spiral Nails
Basketball
Canoe
The Blackberry
Bloody Caesar (The drink)
Canadarm (Hasn`t malfuntioned once in 50 of Nasa`s missions.)
Caulking Gun
Cobalt-60 "Bomb" Cancer Treatment (Most efficient cancer radiation treatment today)
The Electric Oven
The Electric Wheelchair
An Electron Microscope
A Hockey Goalie Mask
The Garbage Bag. (Millions are used every day)
The Instant Replay (for watching sports)
The G-Suit. (The suit all Jet Pilots wear without passing out)
Java Programming
Key Frame Animation
Lacrosse
The Lightbulb
Pablum (Baby cereal)
The Pacemaker
Plexiglass
The Paint Roller
The Radio Voice Transmission (Yes the radio)
The Robertson Screw.
The Self Propelled Combine Harvester
UV degradable Plastics
The Wonderbra
The baggage check (Yes if you want to check an extra bag on a plane, thank a canadian)
The walkie Talkie
Standard Time.
and lastly, The Telephone.

Now screw you, Canadians have invented more than you ever will you stupid person. Go read a book.

Valaur : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Valaur

5 votes NegativePositive

223 days 23 hours ago...

^
carcino embryonic antigen (CEA) blood test - Dr. Phil Gold (1968)
cardiac intensive care unit (first)
dental mirror
disintegrating plastic
ear piercer (whenever you see an emo person with fuck tons of piercings, thank Canadians!)
electric cooking range - Thomas Ahearn (1882)
electric hand prosthesis for children - Helmut Lukas (1971)
electrical car (North America`s first)
electronic wave organ - Frank Morse Robb (1927)
explosives vapour detector - Dr Lorne Elias (1990)
fathometer - Reginald Fessenden
film developing tank
five pin bowling - Thomas E. Ryan (1909)
foghorn - Robert Foulis (1854)
frozen fish - Dr. Archibald G. Huntsman (1926)
Gestalt Photo Mapper - G. Hobrough (1975)
gingerale - John J. McLaughlin (1904)
hair tonic
heart valve operation (first)
helicopter trap (for landing on ships)
helium as a substitute for hydrogen in airships
hydrofoil boat - Alexander Graham Bell and Casey Baldwin (1908)
IMAX - Grahame Ferguson, Roman Kroitor, Robert Kerr (1968)
insulation
insulin (as diabetes treatment) - Dr. Frederick Banting, Dr. Charles Best and Dr. Collip (1921)
machine gun tracer bullet
MacPherson gas mask
measure for footwear
Muskol
Newtsuit - Phil Nuytten
newsprint - Charles Fenerty (1838)
pacemaker - Wilfred Bigelow
paint roller - Norman Breakey (1940)
panoramic camera - John Connon (1887)
Phi (position homing indicator for aircraft)
Pictionary - Rob Angel (1986)
pizza pizza telephone computer delivery services
portable high chair
Puzz-3D
(A) Question of Scruples - Robert Simpson (1984)
radar profile recorder - NRC (1947)
radio compass
retractable beer carton handle (Tuck-away-handle Beer Carton) - Steve Pasjac (1957)
rollerskate
washing machine

Just to name a few.

However, I do concede that the Americans / Chinese... gave us the Snuggie.
If you read your history, at the time Canada was on the forefront of military jet technology. It took 20 years for the Americans to build a worthy counterpart, the F-16.
We started the designs of the Avro Arrow in 1953. It`s first flight was in 1958. Cancelled a year later. Capable of 1,307 mph, 2,104 km/h) at 50,000 ft (15,000 m).
The F-16`s first flight was 2 February 1978, and used by the military in 17 August 1978. Speed of 1,500 mph, 2,414 km/h at 60,000 feet.
20 years difference, nearly the same specifications.
A large amount of the Avro engineers that worked on the arrow helped the Americans with their future aircraft, the F-14 and the F-16 most noteably.

So what else did Canada not give to the world my fat American testtube baby friend?
Ignorance is bliss

kirbybc : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

kirbybc

Hidden (Show Comment) -12 votes

223 days 20 hours ago...

you forgot piss/puke/and skat flicks too you fags. stop crying.

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