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I miss the anarchy patches from Hot Topic.

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11/21/2008 12:06:37 PM

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I ManBearPig L : LVL 28: VP 3.7: said:

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48 days 10 hours ago...

Nice name drop jayne

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darkangeledge : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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48 days 10 hours ago...

anarchists are idiots, you call yourself an anarchist and join a group...that`s like a butcher being vegetarian.

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Presto : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

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48 days 9 hours ago...

You know those Hot Topic anarchy patches you miss? Well if you bought them then you aren`t an anarchist. Sorry...

Also like Dark says the act of calling your self an anarchist defeats the meaning of anarchy.

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Tada : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

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48 days 6 hours ago...

The two fuckheads above me have no idea what anarchism is.

There`s nothing with the anarchistic idea which conflict with group organizing or calling yourself an anarchist, unless perhaps you`re an individualist anarchist but that`s just of many styles an anarchism.

The center idea of anarchism is to remove all unjustified authority, like the jailing of someone because they do drugs or beating them because they said something you didn`t like. They also want the population run the country in a more direct way.

The anarchist tend to either want achieve this by reform or revolution. Neither of which can be achieved by the individual anarchist who will not care about the world around him. Anarchism is very much a group effort.

I fail to see why calling yourself an anarchist is in anyway un-anarchistic. Sure there are loads of fashion anarchists out there that just call themselves anarchist to look cool, but anarchism is a political ideology just like communism or conservatism. If you believe in anarchism, you can call yourself an anarchist. The whole process is better explained with a quote from James Whitcomb Riley;

"If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I would call it a duck. "

So unless you`re claiming that being an anarchist means rejecting the basic linguistics rules, you can call yourself an anarchist as much as you like.

There is also nothing wrong with buying stuff at Hot Topic. It`s just a store like any other, few anarchists live their lives without buying anything from stores but few respectable anarchist make their beliefs into a fashion statement which is pretty much the point of wearing a badge or patch to indicate that your an anarchist. Any sensible anarchist knowns that you simply can`t live outside the capitalistic/authoritarian system at the moment(unless you feel like living the the woods eating bark all day long) and the best you can do is minimize you contribution for it, basically don`t buy stuff you don`t need.

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InsayneJayne (Admin) : LVL 65: VP 5: said:

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48 days ago...

LOL I`ve never considered myself an Anarchist in the first place but please... have at me anyway, Presto :)

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darkangeledge : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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47 days 22 hours ago...

Tada obviously your definition of anarchy is taken from some 15y old skaters on the street.
Anarchy is the refusal of ANY form of authority , communism, collectivism, syndicalism, capitalism or participatory economics;
Please do read more about it before talking about "Arrested for doing drugs or getting beaten", that is just misinformed talk.

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pony : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

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47 days 21 hours ago...

^ nice! nuff said.

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ServusDei : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

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47 days 17 hours ago...

I have to agree with Darkangeledge`s second post, Tada. What you are describing is more akin to liberalism in the classic sense (not to be confused with the conservative/liberal misnomers used to describe American politics) than anarchy. None of the major forms of classic or modern anarchy are restricted to abolishing "unjustified government," rather to abolishing all government.

Nevertheless, you are right in critizing Darkangeledge`s first post: anarchists *can* form groups and remain anarchists without a hint of irony, and yes, they can even buy things at Hot Topic and remain idealogically grounded.

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Tada : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

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47 days 16 hours ago...

darkangeledge: I don`t think I`ve ever come across anyone who has ever said that anarchism rejects all kinds of collaborative work, unless the structure were authoritarian.

No anarchist with realistic world views would ever reject all kinds of authority, only unjustifiable authority. For example if my drunken brother runs into traffic or start juggling vials of nitroglycerin, stopping him would be to take an authoritative role over him and would be totally justifiable unless you`re a fucking nut case.

"None of the major forms of classic or modern anarchy are restricted to abolishing "unjustified government," rather to abolishing all government."

Now you`re confusing with authority and government. An authority is anyone who has any kind of power over something or someone. Government is just one kind of authority, they tell people to fight wars, go to jail, etc. However there are many other authority figures and institutes in society. Parents in a kind of authority, bus drivers are another, even corporations are authority figures from time to time and their structure is extremely authoritarian.

Anarchists view government as an unjustified form of authority while on the other hand they tend to view some of the authority a parent has other their child to be a justified authority. However everyone can see that parents used to have much more authority over their children, mainly in that they could beat them if they felt like it. Few tolerate that these days simply because there is no justification for beating a child since we have come to understand that there are better alternatives.

As for the idea of this being liberalism. Sure the two ideologies are extremely similar in it`s moral values and some of it`s rhetoric. But there are LOADS of things that seperates the two, mainly on what the what should be done with states and governments and how to reach the pot at the end of the rainbow.

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n0md4me : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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47 days 14 hours ago...

is anarchism even a word?? << oh, no spell-check line. nm.

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afrochapin : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

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47 days 14 hours ago...

*looks up anarchy on wikipedia.com..

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Flynn_2006 : LVL 44: VP 5: said:

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46 days 17 hours ago...

Anarchism is in fact an excuse for punk kids to live in their parents basement while rejecting the idea of bound to any authority.

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think&write : LVL 27: VP 3.6: said:

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46 days 16 hours ago...

Anarchy is a lost cause for nothing, because the term "common sense" is very flexible. What might seem absurd to you is "common sense" for others. And even how much you know you are right, someone else knows they`re right too. "Common sense" varies from culture to culture and even from person to person, because of how someone were raised and where they grew up.

That is what I think will be the next challenge for us humans, to be able to co-exist without that strange urge to not like or to hate or to descriminate someone because of something, whether it is socialclass, political views(which is slowing down the process in my opinion) or personal interests and opinions.
Do you want to stand by some party that you haven`t even read facts about, only all the good things you`ve heard from the media? And then also appose another party because they don`t do it the way your party does?
That`s a major flaw right there, and if we keep taking this politics crap further, we won`t get anywhere. We`re just replaying the same thing without changing or improving anything.

So in theory anarchy might sound like a pretty good idea for some, but when one of the "backbones" of such a society(common sense) has too much differences between cultures, it just doesn`t seem realistic at this time.

I`m not saying the way we`re living now is going to work any better either. The current world economy is good proof of that.

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Pfeil : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

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44 days 17 hours ago...

^^WTF are you people talking about?

Anarchy is freedom. The basic ideas of Democracy are very similar to the ideas of Anarchy. If you live in a nation that enjoys the freedoms of having a Democratic government you are in fact living in a LIMITED version of anarchy.

The only failure point in any anarchist idea is the people themselves. Everyone would have to think for themselves( not having leaders or a central government), help others no matter what the situation is, fight for their own freedoms and sadly people find it easier to pay others to do all of those things. We have seen this failure of the people occur in the U.S. over the past eight years alone with Bush and his goons stomping all over the Constitution and the American people not caring one bit.

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
-Thomas Jefferson

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