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This guy makes a very good point.

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  • Date 10/2/2008 7:45:45 PM
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Red Heaven : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

Red Heaven

32 votes NegativePositive

402 days 19 hours ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephirot

Add an H and you have a character. I got this sort of thing from Evangelion actually. In fact, Evangelion ended up breaking me out of a stagnant, conservative Christian "method". I found out the history of Judaism and Christianity has more historical depth than I ever was told.

9 years later, I`m a English major with a minor in Humanities.

...so yeah, the video is pretty damn right. Excellent upload.

bm28651 : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

bm28651

Hidden (Show Comment) -15 votes

402 days 19 hours ago...

wow, I looked up Sephiroth. Good points, but I still can`t see this doing much more than motivating people to learn miscellaneous information that is not really important.

Nightcastr : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

Nightcastr

25 votes NegativePositive

402 days 18 hours ago...

Great video and good examples, loved it. Games like God of War and Assassins Creed are great examples of Tangiential Learning for me. I remember spending a few hours learning about the Crusades after killing a few dozen guards with a wrist-blade in Jerusalem XD

Flynn_2006 : LVL 43: VP 5: said:

Flynn_2006

5 votes NegativePositive

402 days 17 hours ago...

^ Civ games turned me into a political science nerd and medieval II: total war drove me to become a medieval history freak. My medieval II: total war can put assassins creed to shame when it comes to tangential learning in medieval history.

Onisama : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Onisama

-7 votes NegativePositive

402 days 13 hours ago...

Ah DAMN IT!! THE BASTARD STOLE MY IDEA!!

I had this idea since 2002. :(

Zytemis : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

Zytemis

8 votes NegativePositive

402 days 8 hours ago...

^He didn`t "steal" your idea, and he isn`t the first to think of it. In fact at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, a whole group of people are conducting doctoral research in figuring out how to learn while gaming. Check it out at their webpage.

http://playground.uncc.edu/research.php

If you interested in this topic and you happen to be a graduate student I would recommend contacting Dr. Barnes at the above page. Its a fairly new topic so there is plenty of research opportunities for everyone.

Makave18 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Makave18

6 votes NegativePositive

402 days 7 hours ago...

Thanks a lot for being supportive on the upload, now if we could only spread this kinda of idea which I find it kind if innovating. This video got me when I saw the movie 300 and I wanted to learn more about the battle of Thermopylae, and I saw some of it on the History Channel and read about it on Wikipedia. I did exactly what he said.

darkangeledge : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

darkangeledge

1 votes NegativePositive

402 days 2 hours ago...

Amidst the mountain of games that teach you a lot of things (cod,civ,myst,total war,superpower,age of empires, etc) there is one online game that is totally bent on tangential learning, it`s Anarchy Online, almost each item/location/quote in game is taken from Greek/roman mythology even the spells are called after battle formations or events, it`s quite incredible the amount of info the developers put into the game with the pure intent of getting you interested in ancient history.

vee445 : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

vee445

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401 days 17 hours ago...

Video games are still a gigantic waste of time. I`ve wasted enough of my life to realize that, and putting in several tiny pieces of fact into days and weeks of wasted time doesn`t really make much difference.

That said, Civ4 is really fun and now I know who Gilgamesh is. :D

shocx : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

shocx

9 votes NegativePositive

401 days 16 hours ago...

to Red Heaven:

i think you mean your "AN English major" :P

but yea this is deffinatly right, i wouldn`t know alot of the weird stuff that i do if it weren`t for video games.

watersnake6 : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

watersnake6

0 votes NegativePositive

401 days 15 hours ago...

Seriously fantastic. I personally learned a lot from final fantasy tactics. the Noble and serf class struggle parallels England and France.

I also looked up the thorough history of 300 it was actually 3000 the other Athenians weren`t counted kinda sad for them.

Geese hakama is a skirt worn by akido master.

Nerd Lore woot

leoleotheiii : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

leoleotheiii

0 votes NegativePositive

401 days 14 hours ago...

sex? now im gonna go learn about sex, see tangentle learning, it works

Kosmous : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

Kosmous

-2 votes NegativePositive

401 days 11 hours ago...

This concept of tangential learning isn`t so much an issue of education rather than a reference to human/earth history. Shakespeare constantly referenced biblical and greek history in his countless plays. For most of us, we just see that as pretentious and downright annoying. But the point of it all is just that, reference. If I was only given a single word to describe someone who refuses to adapt to new ways of working, we call him/her a "dinosaur" or if we were to refer to someone as being a "Nazi" we would all know that we meant that individual was strict to the point of being cruel and inhuman.

The problem with the connection of references to "education" is that since we think history is educational, all references to actual history is educational. There are people who love history because it is interesting in itself and have realized this without the use of interactive or passive entertainment. Now we can say that about Math and the Sciences, but let`s face it, there are far more people about history than math/science even though we don`t admit it. It`s just that when we think about "history", we think about some boring president or law that was passed 200 years ago, and never the countless wars and struggles that we not only know and understand but for which we feel passionately about even if we weren`t even born when it happened.

As much as I`d love to believe this video, it`s doing a quick sleight of hand trick with historical references and education. Education isn`t just about history, it`s a vast field of disciplines that not only make you productive but also a better and wiser person. An education person is someone who can make a decision about a topic he knows little about simply because he has the foundations to critically analyze using what he`s learned from the past. Also, more importantly, the intelligence to say "i don`t know enough about this topic, let me do the proper research before I can say anything else."

This is the same kind of reasoning as the Wii being good for exercise. "Wii makes the player move, exercise makes player move, therefore playing Wii is exercise" is similar to "This game has historical reference, history is educational, therefore this game is educational".

When Halo 10 can teach you Calculus while you`re blasting the Covenant, I`ll change my views. But as of now, video games are more effective as incentives that as learning tools (ie. I`ll pay for your next month of WoW if you get at least 3 As in your next report card).

Mr6Sozac : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

Mr6Sozac

1 votes NegativePositive

401 days 8 hours ago...

a great game which taught and entertained me was
age of mythology
this wasn`t really and eye opener but
more of a reminder X_X

Triopstor : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

Triopstor

3 votes NegativePositive

401 days 8 hours ago...

I don`t think a Tangiential method is the best educational tool.

The best educational & fun game I played as a teenager went beyond Tangiential -- The Atari game S.C.R.A.M. (Running a nuclear power plant).

However the potential for the reverse can happen. One of Abram 2 tank games I played felt so much like actual work. I said to myself, "Why am I playing a video game after work that leaves me exhausted as additional work?!" So I never played game again because it was too realistic.

However it deepend my respect for a tank crew because it takes 4 men(sight commander, aimer, driver, loader) to run a single U.S. Abram tank effectively. Maybe even more men would be better but then it might get too confusing. Something I never thought of. I just naturally thought a tank can be run by one person.

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