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Noam Chomsky On Pot

I was crusing around on in tubes and found this little nugget. Hope you enjoy it.

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TriMeFoo : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

TriMeFoo

26 votes NegativePositive

45 days 21 hours ago...

I did a report on why marijuana is illegal in the states last semester. Marijuana used to be legal tender in the states, you could pay your taxes with it. The first marijuana law passed in the states was one requiring all farmers to grow Indian hemp seed, because of the plants many uses it was necessary in hard times. There was actually a period in time where if you were a farmer in the US and it was discovered you were not growing hemp you would be arrested. An 1850 census record reported that there were 8,327 hemp plantations that were at least 2,000 acres. If you read up on all the reasons why it was made illegal you`ll soon realize why the prison populations look like they do. Just like everything else in this country it is done by design.

tokentiki : LVL 47: VP 5: said:

tokentiki

13 votes NegativePositive

45 days 16 hours ago...

farmers enjoyed growing it as well in the cycle seasons b/c it put a lot of nitrogen back in the soil. To this day they have not found a better substitute. The model T was made from marijuana plants cellulose structure proving to be much lighter and 10 times stronger than steel.(the windows could also be made from the cellulose) Also fuel was made from wheat straw hemp...I believe around 70% could be mixed with fuel surpassing the ethenal crap we use now with ease. Much more to be said, my bad for ranting on http://www.geocities.com/medicalmarijuana2003/facts.htm

hellrazor : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

hellrazor

15 votes NegativePositive

45 days 16 hours ago...

Nothing wrong with people smoking a little weed now and then. Hell I do on occasion (few times a year). Its not like its causing people to go rob places to get more of it. Compared to alchohol, weed is way more harmless.. Reason its illegal is simple. The government makes more money off it being illegal (drug busts and such) than they would legalizing it. Besides, the hard core anti-drug religious folk think its evil.

tokentiki : LVL 47: VP 5: said:

tokentiki

11 votes NegativePositive

45 days 12 hours ago...

^ true that....it`s just to bad the mob was more into alcohol

Tada : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Tada

3 votes NegativePositive

45 days 12 hours ago...

^^They don`t make any money of it. The polices gets billions of dollar each year to fight drug lords and such. The only thing they`ve managed to do is put a lot of crackheads in jail.

A legalization would bring them much more money since there would be sales taxes to pay.

TriMeFoo : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

TriMeFoo

10 votes NegativePositive

45 days 12 hours ago...

^It can grow anywhere so people would just grow their own. They can`t tax it, so they wont legalize it. They make shittons of money off every prisoner held in their privately owned prisons. Not to mention all the money the pharmaceutical companies would loose. And if you don`t know already, they run Washington.

Tada : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Tada

9 votes NegativePositive

45 days 11 hours ago...

^True a lot of people could grow their own with no real problem, same goes for vegetables. Normal people simply don`t grow stuff they need, if they need something they buy it. It`s what consumer culture is all about, the corporation have been fueling this kind of behavior for almost 90 years now it`s not like pot is going to break the habit just like that.

If you know anything about pot it should be that there are hundreds of different kinds with different strength and length. If big business took over they would try to maximize profit, i.e. make the best weed on the market so people buy that instead of wasting time growing themselves. We would most likely end up with a market similar to beer and wine. There would be various "micro-brewers" but I can assure you that within 5 years you`d have brandname pot.

Also I am very curious how the government make money from paying companies to take care of prisons? They only ones that make money are the ones getting paid, the government isn`t getting paid.

dilated : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

dilated

5 votes NegativePositive

45 days 9 hours ago...

@TriMeFoo:
how exactly do corporations/government make `shittons` of money from incarcerating prisoners? Where does this money come from? Yeah they do a bit of slave labour, but you gotta feed them, keep a roof over their heads, keep them warm, monitor them constantly....

and it doesn`t exactly grow anywhere, at least not the kind a person would want to smoke. You can grow industrial grade hemp pretty much anywhere, but I don`t think that`s the stuff the government would be charging taxes on. If I could buy a pack of 24 joints from my corner store I`d most definately do that, rather than run my own garden.

Tada : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Tada

1 votes NegativePositive

45 days ago...

^
"how exactly do corporations/government make `shittons` of money from incarcerating prisoners?"

Well the corporations make money of private prisons simply because they get paid more they spend, that the whole point of making "profit". The government/people/state makes no money on it at all, if someone wants to challenge that statement then please feel free to provide some sources.

dilated : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

dilated

2 votes NegativePositive

43 days 14 hours ago...

^
"Well the corporations make money of private prisons simply because they get paid more they spend, that the whole point of making "profit". The government/people/state makes no money on it at all"

Who pays them, and what are they being paid for?
And if corporations can "profit" from prisons, why can`t the government profit from prisons?

Are you referring to government subsidies?
if so, whats the point in having privately owned prisons anyway? just another means of siphoning more money into corporate pockets from what I can see...

please feel free to elaborate a bit, and please feel free to provide some sources.

Tada : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Tada

1 votes NegativePositive

43 days 5 hours ago...

^It`s not that governments can`t make profit, it`s just that corporations are generally better at it. They also get most of their money from the government, i.e. for every prisoner the corporation get X dollars. They don`t actually create any money, they get money and simply spend less than that.

Just look into companies like Corrections Corporation of America, GEO Group and Cornell Companies and how they are doing it if you want information. I think you are much more willing to dig into this than I am willing to bother arguing over this pointless issue. It`s all just a way to move the power and money from the people into the hand of corporations, same goes for most privatization. The people rarely save money or get some special benefit from giving up these things to the corporations.

TriMeFoo : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

TriMeFoo

3 votes NegativePositive

43 days 4 hours ago...

^You just answered the first question you asked me. They are paid on average $800,000 per prisoner and spend much less than that. The system didn`t always work like that though, but that wasn`t a problem some campaign contributions couldn`t solve. Police departments that make more bust get more funding as does the Federal Bureau of Narcotics which wouldn`t get far off just heroine & opiates and such.

Tada : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Tada

1 votes NegativePositive

43 days 1 hour ago...

^The point is that the government isn`t making any money by using private prisons. They just pay someone else to do it. I`ll use an example:

If you give your kid 10 bucks to go buy milk for 10 bucks. Sure your kid might be smart and buy cheaper milk and only spend 9 dollars and keep one for himself. No matter how you look at it, YOU haven`t saved any money.

And yeah certain departments get more money if they do a better job, but they aren`t making >PROFIT< somehow. If you took away the funds they get from the gov. they wouldn`t be able to support themselves.

The government isn`t making a "shittons of money" from doing this. It`s JUST the corps, sure some politicians get money for their campaigns from lobby groups and such but it`s still NOT the government.

~TechHead~ : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

~TechHead~

4 votes NegativePositive

41 days 23 hours ago...

We should legalize marijuana, mainly because of the positive influnce it woul have on the economy. We should stop prosectuing those individuals carrying aroun d a dime bag, and start going after the bigger fish i.e. crack, heroine, etc.

Here in Ohio, they tried to pass a law that would have those arrested for possession of an ounce or less of weed not thrown in jail but thrown into a "rehab" (yeah, right. I would just wait till I got out tjo hit that blunt again :), facility that would monitor their usage for a period of 6 months, and of course a short probationary period
BUT NOOOOOO, Super Dumbass Governor Taft felt they are full blown criminals and should be punished to the full extent of the law. In short here are the specs of finances used for both:
arrested for possession and put to jailtime = $600,000 - $800,000 per prisoner.
sent to rehab instead of jail with probationary period=
$30,000 to $50,000 per convicted offender

Add that up and it was something like $30,000,000 a year wasted on unnecessary jailings of danny-dime-bags.

I don`t know why the government hasn`t harnessed this crop as a commodity to sell. There is a lot of money in selling marijuana. Shit, just look how much tobacco sales were over the last century. And for those of ou who think that once it is accessible that all everyone is going to do is get high, think again.

Consumption will be about the same for every other individual when weed is legal as it was when it was illegal. If people can control how they drink, people can control how much pot they smoke and when.

Logan xxxx : LVL 10: VP 1.9: said:

Logan xxxx

4 votes NegativePositive

41 days 19 hours ago...

Some more motivation for the government`s criminalization of marijuana can be found in the fact that it was associated with the counter-culture in the 60`s. Because lawmakers considered these people a threat the "american way of life" they also considered things associated with them to be a threat. The reason I bring it up, is because it`s a pretty clear example of taking away freedoms, not for the safety of citizens, but to advance a particular political point of view.

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