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Waltz with Bashir

Former Israeli soldier and animator Ari Folman, attempts to decipher the horror he witnessed in a 1982 massacre of thousands of Palestinian refugees by Christian militia.

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evilbhaal : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

evilbhaal

14 votes NegativePositive

532 days 22 hours ago...

Nice! i think i want that torrent too!...BTW Piracy is bad kids!

fearbefour76 : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

fearbefour76

14 votes NegativePositive

531 days 10 hours ago...

beautiful animation

thatkoreanguy : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

thatkoreanguy

-2 votes NegativePositive

531 days 10 hours ago...

palastine and israel are countries. christianity is a religion. israel is a jewish nation. don`t mix religion with politics.

sploing : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

sploing

5 votes NegativePositive

531 days 9 hours ago...

^there`s more to it than just that, look up the lebanese civil war

great animation, depressing as hell though

khawli : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

khawli

4 votes NegativePositive

531 days 8 hours ago...

Bashir was dead when this massacre happened. When Bashir died all of Lebanon died with him. When bashir died Sharon was physically looking through the rubbles to find his body in Beirut. There are pictures to prove it. Bashir Gemayel lives in the heart of every lebanese christian and every lebanese is a Bashir.

hi-ho : LVL 21: VP 3: said:

hi-ho

4 votes NegativePositive

531 days 5 hours ago...

I thought that the Israeli government unofficially ordered the massacre - sent the phalangists in?

trumptmast : LVL 55: VP 5: said:

trumptmast

4 votes NegativePositive

531 days 4 hours ago...

Does anyone know what the classical piano song near the end is called? Thanks in advanced.

Mory_3s2m : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Mory_3s2m

3 votes NegativePositive

531 days 4 hours ago...

Israel didn`t "unofficially ordered the massacre."... Under Sharon (than the general of the military) Israeli troops allowed the christian militia in, and than just watched as the massacre happened... Sharon did get a half-assed punishment for this action in israel, but later the public showed him love by making him the leader of the "only democracy in Middle East"

mGoLos : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

mGoLos

4 votes NegativePositive

531 days 4 hours ago...

".. by Christian militias"

So who were they working for?

God?

Give me a break ...

Mory_3s2m : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Mory_3s2m

2 votes NegativePositive

531 days 4 hours ago...

... didn`t u hear, their leader gt their order`s right from jesus... sigh...
shit man, just because history refers to them as christian militias it doesn`t mean they are representing christianity or the bible told them to do it. that`s like saying Hezbollah is a representation of all true muslims because of their name (the party of god)... I understand how that would hurt some christians, but Im a muslim and on no day I go by without hearing "muslim extremism" and "islamic fascism[which to me could only mean an italian muslim]" "islamism" and all kinds of things that could be frustrating. But yah, I have never read any other form of reference to the milia that killed those palestinians, hence I refer to them the same way, maybe out of ignorance.

yyarin : LVL 11: VP 2: said:

yyarin

0 votes NegativePositive

530 days 23 hours ago...

The Christians militias being talked about in this film are actually are actual Lebanese Christian fighters who were trained by the Israeli military and strategically sent to the Palestinian refugee camps to commit the massacre.
This is documented in the award winning documentary MASSAKER. If you want to know more this documentary is amazingly good and very shocking.

Here is a description of the film as it was sent to me as part of a local screening:

In 1982 over a single three-day period, 1000 - 3000
Palestinian civilians, mostly women, children and the
elderly, were murdered in Sabra and Shatila. The exact
number of victims killed, abducted or both between the
16th and 18th of September 1982 is still unknown. The
suspected perpetrators are mainly from the Forces
Libanaises, a Christian militia allied to Israel. The
Israeli army arranged the logistics of the massacre and
was commanded by the former Minister of Defence and future
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

In 1982, the massacre in the Lebanese Palestinian camps
shocked the world; today it is (almost) forgotten although
it formed the template for subsequent massacres: for
example in Rwanda or in the Yugoslavian wars.

Unanswered questions come up over and over again: what
drives people to such excesses of cruelty, and how can
those who committed such crimes live on?

MASSAKER is a psycho-political study, in content and
aesthetics, about six suspects who took part in the
massacres of Sabra and Shatila, not only because they were
ordered to do so but also for their own motives. The film
incorporates the psychological dispositions of the
suspects with their political surroundings and approaches
the phenomenon of collective violence through the accounts
of the perpetrators. Without intending to reconstruct the
massacres of Sabra and Shatila verbatim, MASSAKER shows a
previously untold version of the atrocities through the
intertwined stories of six protagonists: the version of
the people who committed the crimes.

Ninjzz : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Ninjzz

0 votes NegativePositive

530 days 23 hours ago...

(A)e Israeli Defence Force (IDF) had completely surrounded the Sabra-Shatila camps, and controlled all entrances and exits by the means of checkpoints
(B)IDF tanks began shelling the camps
(C)Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan met with the Lebanese Phalangist militia units, inviting them to enter the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps
(D)The first unit of 150 Phalangists, armed with guns, knives and hatchets entered the camps at 6:00 p.m. Immediately the unit began slitting throats, axing, shooting, and raping, often taking groups outside and lining them up for execution. During the night the Israeli forces fired illuminating flares over the camps
(E)11:00 p.m. a report was sent to the IDF headquarters in East Beirut, reporting the killings of 300 people, including civilians. The report was forwarded to headquarters in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, where it was seen by more than 20 senior Israeli officers
Further reports of these killings followed through the night. Some of these reports were forwarded to the Israeli government in Jerusalem and were seen by a number of Israel`s senior officials.

Ninjzz : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Ninjzz

1 votes NegativePositive

530 days 22 hours ago...

(F)Later in the afternoon, a meeting was held between the Israeli Chief of Staff and the Phalangist staff. According to the Kahan Commission`s report (based on a Mossad agent`s report), the Chief of Staff concluded that the Phalange should "continue action, mopping up the empty camps south of Fakahani until tomorrow at 5:00 a.m., at which time they must stop their action due to American pressure."
(G)At this meeting, he (Israeli Chief of Staff )also agreed to provide the militia with a tractor, supposedly to demolish buildings.
HITLER WOULD BE PROUD OF ARIEL SHARON AND IDF AND ISREAK AND JEWS AND IF THIS SAME WAS DONE BY A MUSLIM COUNTRY THIS WOULD BE ALL OVER THE NEWS 30 DAYS IN A ROW WOULD BE USED TO BLAME ISLAM A RELIGION AND FOLLOWERS OF IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME I LOVE THE DOUBLE STAND BULLSHIT AND EVEN IF SOMEONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ISREAL A COUNTRY THEY WOULD USE THERE SUPER ESCAPE CARD THE HOLOCAST SOMETHING THAT HAPPEND TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE OF A CERTIN RELIGION TO GET AWAY WITH IT

Uzo : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

Uzo

2 votes NegativePositive

530 days 19 hours ago...

Interesting debate here. But back to the animation:

Was this rotoscoped (or whatever that`s called where you film actual scenes and then animate over the top of them)? This level of fluidity and detail shits on anything I`ve seen from Japan, and makes Disney look like a goddamn flick-book.

hlavaaaa : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

hlavaaaa

0 votes NegativePositive

530 days 15 hours ago...

when this movie comes out?

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