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Holy Warriors In the US Amed Forces

Separation of church and state being dissolved within the military

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  • Date 5/21/2008 1:02:32 PM
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LastCaucasian : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

LastCaucasian

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538 days 17 hours ago...

Ehh... I have two cousins in the military and I think this is bullshit. This is some guy with a vendetta or something. All the scare tactics, conspiracy theories... I dunno. There probably are extremist views in some parts of the military, but it seems like he`s taking advantage of current situations to push his group`s own ideological agenda. BS in my opinion, same shit we get from the government every day.

EntropY* : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

EntropY*

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538 days 16 hours ago...

^
That`s way too rational. THE ENTIRE U.S. MILITARY IS AN EXTREMIST FACIST FORCE DEDICATED TO CONQUERING THE WORLD.

l2fitIn

Ooddiittyy : LVL 25: VP 3.4: said:

Ooddiittyy

27 votes NegativePositive

538 days 15 hours ago...

@ LastCaucasian: all due respect, but i don`t take your two cousins as proof-positive that this guy`s talking out of his ass.

and i`m not sure what part of the U.S. you`re living in, but it sure seems to me like it`s what he`s fighting *against* that is the same shit given to us every day by the government.

obviously, being an atheist i`m gonna side with the dude, but c`mon; the entire governmental system has been corrupted by religious interests in exactly the way the founding fathers were trying to avoid. the fact that one would have a snowball`s chance in hell of getting elected to any public office, much less that of the president without proper religious credentials is depressing.

this is why we left England!

exploder : LVL 47: VP 5: said:

exploder

13 votes NegativePositive

538 days 10 hours ago...

I really like what the dude said:

Don`t like it, TELL IT TO THE JUDGE.

More power to them. Nuf said.

Dark_Enigma : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

Dark_Enigma

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538 days 9 hours ago...

hold on a lot of big words let me get my dictionary

mrgibby : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

mrgibby

-7 votes NegativePositive

537 days 3 hours ago...

i agree with that entropy guy.

lemmyrules : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

lemmyrules

14 votes NegativePositive

535 days 21 hours ago...

When the fuck are we gonna outlaw religion? I pray for it everyday, if god loves his followers he will guide them himself, but he`s off fuckin himself while we pound each other to a pulp with his heavy-ass book

neon neophyte : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

neon neophyte

13 votes NegativePositive

535 days 20 hours ago...

chumba wumba gobbledy goo
life isn`t fair
it`s sad but it`s true
chumba wumba gobbledy gee
when your poor legs are as stiff as a tree

what do you do when you`re stuck in a chair?
finding it hard to go up and down stairs
what do you think of the one you call god?
isn`t his absence slightly odd?
Maybe he`s forgotten you.

chumba wumba gobbledy gorse
count yourself lucky you`re not a horse
they would turn you into dog food
or into chumba wumba gobbledy glue

Bluelight83 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Bluelight83

7 votes NegativePositive

535 days 20 hours ago...

You know, there has been fucking relgion in the military since it started. You dont think there were chaplains that came out and prayed with the Soldiers before they stormed the beach of normandy? You dont think there are Church services for military members since it started?

I swear this shit gets more and more ridiculous everyday.

Diashan : LVL 39: VP 4.7: said:

Diashan

0 votes NegativePositive

535 days 20 hours ago...

^^lemmyrules
it would change nothing. Human nature being what it is, we will still be killing one another, taking advantage, lyeing, stealing......ect.

rydl61106 : LVL 23: VP 3.2: said:

rydl61106

7 votes NegativePositive

535 days 17 hours ago...

@Bluelight83 Just because religion has been in the army since the beginning doesn`t make it unbiased. Let`s take your example of WW2, how do you think the Jewish, or Muslim soldier felt in their last moments before the battle being preached to about a person that they don`t even believe in. That`s the equivalent you going off to battle and me sending you an oracle from Delphi to help you commune with Apollo. BULLSHIT and on top of that the American Taxpayers are paying for it. In order not to be biased towards one religion(which is unconstitutional) when you pay for one priest, you would then have to pay for a `spiritual leader` of every religion. From Rabbis down to shamans and high wizards. Since it is impossible to equally include everyone... Get rid of them ALL.

No ones saying you can`t pray, but why the hell does your religion get the preferential treatment to have the government pay for someone to pray for you?

Daleran : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

Daleran

1 votes NegativePositive

535 days 17 hours ago...

Listen, I am in the army and I am an atheist. I have never been looked down upon or felt like religion was being force on me. My grandpa is a brigadier general and he too is an atheist. In fact, I have met a lot of atheists and agnotic and non-Christians. I think those numbers were completely made up. Ever since I got into the army I have actually felt less religious. And that long religious name I have never even heard of before. I call bullshit on this.

klavlav : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

klavlav

9 votes NegativePositive

535 days 16 hours ago...

Daishan

But it`s not "human nature" to kill and take advantage of others. Or I should say that it`s not all human nature is.

In times and places where resources are plentiful enough and are shared fairly equally, where the disparities betweens the "haves" and "have nots" are low, where cooperation is prised over competition, people get along just fine.

Conversely, when income and resources are hoarded by a few elites, where predation becomes the norm just to survive, and most importantly, where the local myth - religious, nationalist, what have you - legitimises that predation as "God`s Will" or some other bullshit, people will lower themselves accordingly.

You think it`s human nature because, after thousands of years of "western civilisation" running roughshod over the Earth, killing in the name of God and Nation, that`s all you know. As Carl Sagan cautions in the Heaven & Hell upload here, and Daniel Quinn points out in `Ishmael`, it`s all too easy for objective facts to become myths and self-fulfilling prophesies; the objective fact that we sometimes fight becomes the myth that we always do, and even should.

There are alternatives available, though, especially when we get past religion, or at least religions that worship totalitarianism and death under the guise of "God`s Love".

***********************

Edits for iwantastiffdrink and Phi below:

iwantastiffdrink:

Boy, do you have it backwards. Christians as the most marginalised, demonised segment of society?! I can think of about a dozen other minorities who have had it worse, and still do, often due to the bigotry they endure at the hands of Christians.

I don`t see Gays trying to change the California constitution to prohibit Christians from getting married. But the second Gays achieve some small shred of equality, in swoop the religious goose-steppers in droves, trying to prevent *other* peoples` freedoms based on bronze-age desert superstitions.

And Phi: No, such societies aren`t "hypothetical" at all. Visit any one of the countries that top the GPI list of most peaceful nations and you`ll find places much like I describe:

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2008/


Societies with very little income disparity between the "richest" and "poorest" segments, very little gender inequality, highly cooperative rather than competitive, largely secular, and where quality of life is prised over profit.

No, these societies aren`t "utopias" or "Eden". But that`s just the point; they are real places built on real principles that exist in contrast to the dog-eat-dog, winner take all mentality common in the US (which ranks quite poorly on the list, by the way). We have our problems in these places, too, but our solutions are vastly different from those the US attempts, especially because our solutions work!

Bluelight83 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Bluelight83

-6 votes NegativePositive

535 days 15 hours ago...

There are Rabbis in the military too you dumb fuck. There are leaders for every belief.

You truly are an idiot. You`re saying it`s wrong for any relgious preacher to be in the military? It`s wrong for a church person to give a few soldiers a prayer before they go into what could be their last day on earth? You dont think they want to have their last rights or whatever the hell it is they do before they die?

You truly are a moron, as is everyone that thinks no reglious personel should be in the military.

Like they say, there is no such thing as an atheist in a fox hole.

Seriously, the fucking ignorance in some of you is so astounding.

TeflonMonkey : LVL 19: VP 2.8: said:

TeflonMonkey

0 votes NegativePositive

535 days 15 hours ago...

I thought the nazi partie had 33 %

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