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McCain's Pastor Problem

I saw the Rev. Wright stuff, figured I'd make it fair and balanced here.

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klavlav : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

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64 days 22 hours ago...

Again reminded of the Sinclair Lewis quote, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".

He should`ve said "When fascism *came* to America...". Already happened.

stbasdf : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

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64 days 22 hours ago...

wtf....this guy is psycho, one reason our country was formed is to `demolish` another religion? he`s an extremist supporting conflict with foreigners for stupid reasons, and the republican presidential candidate is one of his parishoners. this guy sounds a whole lot more dangerous than that wright guy.

moneyb363 : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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64 days 4 hours ago...

um ye this isnt going to help the dems. because half of america believes this shit and will actually want it. the problem with write was that he said god damn america, this guy is saying god damn Islam in a way. this is only going to help the rep. if this goes viral.

Csmack : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

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64 days 3 hours ago...

@ Klavlav
"He should`ve said "When fascism *came* to America...". Already happened."
-When exactly has this happened? America is still willing to confront the fascists of today just as it did 60 years ago in WWII.

Knowing that you`re the big atheist that you are, it strikes me as strange that you think opposing the spread is Islamic Law through violent means makes one a "fascist". Maybe I`m confusing you with the numerous other SH users who have called for a forceful end to religion.

klavlav : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

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62 days 23 hours ago...

^ I`ve never called for the violent opposition to religion. Indeed, I think I`ve been very clear, even repetitive, about my belief that people should be able to believe and do anything they please so long as they don`t restrict others from doing likewise.

I lived in Israel. Believe me, you will find no bigger opponent of violent Islamic fundamentalism. But Jewish fundamentalism is as big of a threat. Remember, it was an Israeli fundamentalist Jew who assassinated Rabin, not a Muslim terrorist. And it is fundamentalist Christian-Zionists in America, like the man in this clip, who support and fund violent Jewish elements in Israel who want to destroy Muslim holy sites and who threaten another Crusade, even a world war. Indeed, they look forward to it as the harbinger of the "second coming" of their "messiah".

I want a secular middle-east the way we have a secular Europe; not a place where religion is violently wiped out, just a place where religion is largely irrelevant.

You get that by giving people work, jobs, food, justice, fairness, equality - you know, the basics. Basics that religion just as often deprives people of. When people have these things, it is amazing how fundamentalism of all types, religious or nationalist, disappear. And the religion that remains is mainly tame and toothless. As it should be.

Regarding fascism in America, that originally came when the first colonists ethnically cleansed the native inhabitants. With a cross in one hand, a sword in the other, and planting flags across the land - British, French, Spanish, then finally the Stars & Stripes - "America" succeeded, and continues to succeed, where other genocidal dictatorships only dreamed. What the colonial empires began, the "United States" completed. Whole cultures, civilisations, languages, religions, people were destroyed. Those that weren`t killed were "converted", "civilised", so many we don`t even know how to count them.

America didn`t "confront" fascism during WWII, it smacked down an ugly pretender who was trying to best the United States at its own game. You can be sure, though, that if the Nazis had won, or even fought to a stalemate and survived, the Jewish, Slavic, Roma, Gay etc. victims of Nazi Germany would be as invisible and silent now as the Mahican, Pomo, Nottoway, Kalapuya, or Massachusett of America are today; surviving, if at all, as footnotes, place names, exotic caricatures, or tenacious remnants of the people American fascism genocidally destroyed.

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