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exploder : LVL 47: VP 5: said:

exploder

6 votes NegativePositive

53 days 19 hours ago...

Good vid. At least some Americans get it. The number that actually accept this religiopolitics is rather disturbing though.

I think it`s time for atheists to get more vocal, organised, and coherent. We are publicly under represented.

I think it`s mainly Christian bigotry, that treats atheism as some deep abomination. It`s a dirty word, and you better not get caught being one as far as they are concerned. But call them idiots back (not even evil, just maybe dumb or suckered) and it`s "respect my beliefs" and "why are the atheists always attacking us?". Bullshit, Christains fired the first shots over the last thousands of years with MURDEROUS intolerance of other belief systems.

As a lifelong atheist, I offer religious tolerance to the Christians when I see some fucking respect for my right not to believe in their god (in which they are so self centered). So far that extends to many fine Christian individuals I know, whom I hold in highest regard.

But 99% of Christian organisations are EVIL AND CORRUPT. To the 99%, they hold me as subhuman for my beliefs, so it`s war back I say. Fuck Religion. Wipe it off the earth, or remake it into something true and humane.

And to the first religious person who comes back saying "be nice":

Would your religious beliefs prevent you from political office? Who suffers the prejudice here? Christian bigotry will slander me for my beliefs should I try.

</rant>

Unmannedperson : LVL 40: VP 4.8: said:

Unmannedperson

7 votes NegativePositive

53 days 18 hours ago...

Hmm.... does not uphold "separation of church and state:"
B.O.: check.
H.C.: check.
J.M.: check.
Ron Paul... ... ... ...

Drater : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

Drater

-6 votes NegativePositive

53 days 16 hours ago...

LOL at Hillary`s favorite bible verse. That`s not even in the bible. This is a Christian nation, like it or not. Founded on Christian fundamentals and it`s really only the last 30 or so years that it has been extremely perverted into the horrid nation it is today. Christians, in general, are much better(moral) people than the majority, so why bash on them(minus all the fruity ones, which definitely exist).

mondo77 : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

mondo77

6 votes NegativePositive

53 days 16 hours ago...

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and Christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd." - Unknown

PaperNexus : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

PaperNexus

7 votes NegativePositive

53 days 15 hours ago...

Drater. Where is your evidence that Christains are more moral or better than Atheists? You made a biggoted statement. What if I had said that Jewish people were better than Christians?

Your right, Christianity is a major part of the USA and always has been. So was slavery. Just because something is old it doesnt make it right. Its time for a new age of reason.

Drater : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

Drater

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53 days 15 hours ago...

Slavery was realized to be wrong. Do some actual research into the history of the bible and there are facts as true as any other history book that we all trust. It`s ancient knowledge passed down through time, which makes it a book of historical relevance. As to my "better" comment, it was a generalization obviously. It was made because Christians know they are accountable for their actions. If you really take the time to do the research(which I`m 99.9% sure you won`t), and dig deep, you`ll realize that it takes more "faith" to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian. The facts are out there if you want to look for them. I`m not pushing it down your throat, but if you want to find it, it`s available.

PaperNexus : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

PaperNexus

6 votes NegativePositive

53 days 15 hours ago...

"it was a generalization obviously" -Drater

That`s what made it biggoted. If we truly drew our morals from the Bible we would still have slavery*. Although I acknowledge that the Church did play some part in abolishing slavery eventualy.

*Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.

PaperNexus : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

PaperNexus

6 votes NegativePositive

53 days 15 hours ago...

"dig deep, you`ll realize that it takes more "faith" to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian. The facts are out there if you want to look for them." - Drater

You have said that there is a God. Therefore the owness is on YOU to prove it. I dont have to prove or look or research anything. For example - If someone says there are fairys. Its up to THEM to prove it. What are these `facts` Drater? Do enlighten us.

Drater : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

Drater

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53 days 15 hours ago...

I`ve done the research into the validity of the Bible. If you don`t wish to pursue that knowledge, then you are a lost cause and I wouldn`t waste my time on you. I`m not a perfect person, otherwise I would care about every person, but saying that you won`t do your own legwork, therefor you win is a rather immature stance to take. Be in control of your own life and don`t believe what anyone tells you. Find the truth for yourself or the truth is pointless.

I`m not saying anyone has to believe, but if you want the truth, it`s hard to deny once you do the research. I know that Spiked is a heathens playground and I will mostly fall on deaf ears, but I felt like putting it out there. Take it as you will.

PaperNexus : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

PaperNexus

5 votes NegativePositive

53 days 14 hours ago...

^ You have run away from the argument. Great, now you can go away and live in your fantasy world with your imaginary friend.

Drater : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

Drater

-7 votes NegativePositive

53 days 14 hours ago...

I was never arguing. I was presenting you with information that I found very useful and you immediately dismissed it. I`ve shown you the door and it`s yours to open if you wish. I`ve already said I`m not here to force my beliefs on anyone.

Thank you for your immaculate finishing line there. Well said sir, bravo... *shakehead* I`m done feeding the troll.

Euthphyro : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

Euthphyro

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53 days 11 hours ago...

^
Drater, *hug*.

Glad to know I am not alone.

But any comment we say, no matter how factual, logical it may be it will get voted down.

Due to the pathetic attempt for liberal and atheists to hush down the voices that challenge their world.

It was refreshing to read your post. It gave me a boost in energy to continue to fight the ignorance on this site.

Krtek : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

Krtek

5 votes NegativePositive

53 days 4 hours ago...

^ ewwww! a hug from Eurethra. that`s like gettin` tea-bagged by hitler. but maybe a bible humper with a bald eagle american flag avatar would like Eurethra`a taint in his face.

Dustin14 : LVL 7: VP 1.6: said:

Dustin14

8 votes NegativePositive

53 days 3 hours ago...

what the hell are you talking about? I have yet to see you make a single "factual" or "logical" post, let me sum up every statement I have seen you make here.

"If you disagree with me on this you are ignorant there are plenty of good arguments and facts to back up my case but it`s impossible to argue with and educate someone at the same time so I`m not going to bother with them just trust me youre wrong because I say so."

Drater is doing the exact same thing "I`m a christian there for I and all like me are morally superior to you and what we believe is right and youre wrong I have done the research and have plenty of facts to back up my statement but I`m not going to provide them because I dont wanna force my beliefs on you"

news flash dipshit providing the facts for youre case is no more forcing youre religion on us then simply stating youre opinion is, the real point here is you and euthphyro both have nothing, you just claim you do and runaway heres a few exact qoutes I take issue with.

"Do some actual research into the history of the bible and there are facts as true as any other history book that we all trust."

so what? yes no doubt there are parts of the bible that are indeed historically acurate but that doesnt mean its all true heres an example 2+2 is 4 and the sky is purple, getting one thing right in no way validates the second retarded statement, same with the bible a few acurate historical facts in no way validate all the mystical bullshit.

"I was never arguing. I was presenting you with information that I found very useful"

once again you provided no information whatsoever you just said I have it but I`m not gonna tell you.

"I`ve shown you the door and it`s yours to open if you wish"

youve shown us nothing you just said it`s out there somewhere go find it, real helpfull how about you actually show us the door provide a link, a book, a author anything that would actually point us in the direction of this evidence you speak of, you must have something along those lines after all youve done the research, but I know you wont because as I have allready stated you both have nothing you just claim to and then run away a very dishonest and cowardly approach.

exploder : LVL 47: VP 5: said:

exploder

4 votes NegativePositive

52 days 23 hours ago...

What I (atheist) find most informative about the ongoing religious debates here on Spiked:

- The religious side almost never has any really sound information. Just a bunch of "I know it" and "it`s good" and "it helps me", finally ending with "you are beyond hope". I don`t even see many logically sound arguments.

- Of course, none of them can offer true proof. But worse, I almost never hear a quality personal experience of god. I deeply respect many Christians, especially when they share the truth of their personal experiences, it is the closest thing to factual arguable proof that I ever hear for God. A real person actually telling me, FOR REAL, what they personally experienced that actually makes them believe. I respect that, and it`s usually substantial stuff. Not just tired empty rehashed myth.

- Sadly, as I ranted about in my first post, there is a revealing amount of out and out BIGOTRY AND PREJUDICE, nost especially against atheists. YUK!. I find it doubly disappointing to hear the supposedly moral majority repeatedly and strongly exemplify the exact kind of harsh intolerance and judgmentalism that they hypocritically denounce with regards to themselves, while spreading liberally at us atheists.

I am not perfect. I am sorry for my mean-ness to you all good fellows who are Christian and Muslim and whatever other religions. I have little doubt the vast majority of you are caring and decent people. And so am I. I just have another different belief. See beyond those who hurt others in brute ignorance. Most of us who carefully and deliberately reject god, have well developed morality and purpose; we are seldom ignorant brutes. Indeed many of us have some good "out of the box" thinking and clarity, that is worth including if you really seek a well rounded understanding of things.

I come here in peace. I hope that this crazy open forum can bring out the good in all of us, that we can find some common ground. Please understand that I would not criticise religion so harshly, if I did not see it failing at it`s own purported goals, many of which I share. I want you religious folk as good happy neighbours. I want OUR COMBINED wisdom, in free cooperation, to build a better, kinder world. Help us atheists who see the light, we should be your allies.

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