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This is the first series of The Bible Code showed on the History Channel. Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6

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LeighCedar : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

LeighCedar

10 votes NegativePositive

560 days 9 hours ago...

As a history major I am often disappointed by the schlock that "History" Channel puts on the air.

Just out of curiosity, is this the same code that is so amazing it also finds "prophesies" in War and Peace, and other large books??? :)

NYCJockCub : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

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560 days 9 hours ago...

Hidden Bible "codes" are an interesting topic.

First of all, the original language (hebrew, in most cases) contains no vowels. And, the "codes" rely exclusively on the statistical position of a very small number of variables (letters).

Thus, is it possible to find "hidden codes" in many texts and books. I did this myself a few months ago, and discovered the "Da Vinci Code" predicted that I am Gemini, and live in New York.

Not to belittle this, but I`m not sure there is anything mystical about it. You can find messages in any text if you spend sufficient time lookin for them.

zaiyar : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

zaiyar

10 votes NegativePositive

560 days 9 hours ago...

Religion ... will it ever die.

NYCJockCub : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

NYCJockCub

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560 days 9 hours ago...

^ Hey, if I live around Newton`s time, I would have studied Bible codes too.

Are you kidding? A brilliant mathematical mind, deeply curious about the basic mysteries of life and the universe, superb understanding of probabilities and statistics. Roman Catholic patronage. I don`t blame him at all.

Doesn`t mean he wasn`t wrong in retrospect. Science is all about trial and error.

LeighCedar : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

LeighCedar

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560 days 9 hours ago...

It a commonly know fact among atheists, alifeva, but we don`t hold it against him ;)

Edit: Imagine how much more he could have discovered if he hadn`t spent all that time on Bible codes !

NYCJockCub : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

NYCJockCub

6 votes NegativePositive

560 days 9 hours ago...

This your first post, alifeva1?

Might be interesting to see an uploaded history of the Bible, Council of Carthage, apocrypha, the process of selection for the books of the Bible.

LeighCedar : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

LeighCedar

4 votes NegativePositive

560 days 9 hours ago...

^ WHat do you win at exactly?
I don`t see anything in NYC`s posts that hasn`t already been stated by him and others before... maybe you should read it a time or two more.

LeighCedar : LVL 38: VP 4.6: said:

LeighCedar

6 votes NegativePositive

560 days 9 hours ago...

Did I pop in on some sort of inside joke?
I`m confused.

NYCJockCub : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

NYCJockCub

4 votes NegativePositive

560 days 7 hours ago...

^ a bit, LeighCedar.

alifeva1 is devoutly religious, but he`s also a bit of a devilish imp.

he`s got an sense of humor about the extremism on this site

klavlav : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

klavlav

5 votes NegativePositive

560 days 7 hours ago...

This BBC documentary (linked below) does a far more in depth and intellectual treatment of the topic than alifeva`s here (as one would expect) and also quite adequately dispels the fairy-tale notion of a "Bible Code".

NYC: Yes, this is the same code that you can use to find similar "prophesies" in Dan Brown. Shall we pray to him?

Hebrew is my first language. And, yes, it is what is known as a "consonantal" language; vowels are essentially used to provide things like grammatical details like tense and gender which can often be easily inferred from context, so are often left out of text, which becomes a kind of shorthand.

The Bible was an oral tradition for centuries, like Homer or Beowulf, and when it was finally written down it was written basically in shorthand, in one continuous line, no spaces between the words and with no vowels.

While it is true that meaning can often be accurately inferred, you can see as how there would be much room for guesswork and (mis-)interpretation, as well as for reading into the text, looking for "hidden codes".

As such, it is a supreme "act of faith", indeed, to take any of that literally. Bible codes are an wonderful example of "what the seeker seeks, the prover proves".

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/125112/BBC-Horizon-The-Bibl

e-Code-1-2.html

Be sure to watch part two of the BBC vid!
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/125116/BBC-Horizon-The-Bible-Code

-2-2.html

DH1900 : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

DH1900

8 votes NegativePositive

560 days 4 hours ago...

Just remember, they found 9/11 foretold by the complete works of vanilla ice

klavlav : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

klavlav

5 votes NegativePositive

560 days 4 hours ago...

^ http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=25369

You could hunt for these codes, clues and prophesies *endlessly* and everywhere (meanwhile, children are starving, wars are raging, the poor are getting poorer, the rich getting richer, church coffers are swelling, etc. etc. etc.)

Marx said that religion was the opiate of the masses. Yep, and like opium, it doesn`t take much before you OD and die.

Lord-69 : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

Lord-69

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551 days 23 hours ago...

Gayer than 9 guys blowing 10 guys

psychologyprofessor : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

psychologyprofessor

3 votes NegativePositive

551 days 23 hours ago...

aLiFeVa here is something you may like:

THE ARGUMENT FROM ADMIRED
RELIGIOUS SCIENTISTS
The immense majority of intellectually eminent men
disbelieve in Christian religion, but they conceal the
fact in public, because they are afraid of losing their
incomes.
BERTRAND RUSSELL

`Newton was religious. Who are you to set yourself up as superior to Newton, Galileo, Kepler, etc. etc. etc.? If God was good enough for the likes of them, just who do you think you are?` Not that it makes much difference to such an already bad argument, some apologists even add the name of Darwin, about whom persistent, but demonstrably false, rumours of a deathbed conversion continually come around like a bad smell,* ever since they were deliberately started by a certain `Lady Hope`, who spun a touching yarn of Darwin resting against the pillows in the evening light, leafing through the New Testament and confessing that evolution was all wrong. In this section I shall concentrate mostly on scientists, because - for reasons that are perhaps not too hard to imagine - those who trot out the names of admired individuals as religious exemplars very commonly choose scientists.

Newton did indeed claim to be religious. So did almost everybody until - significantly I think - the nineteenth century, when there was less social and judicial pressure than in earlier centuries to profess religion, and more scientific support for abandoning it.

In 1996, in the gardens of his old college at Cambridge, Clare, I interviewed my friend Jim Watson, founding genius of the Human Genome Project, for a BBC television documentary that I was making on Gregor Mendel, founding genius of genetics itself. Mendel, of course, was a religious man, an Augustinian monk; but that was in the nineteenth century, when becoming a monk was the easiest way for the young Mendel to pursue his science. For him, it was the equivalent of a research grant. I asked Watson whether he knew many religious scientists today. He replied: `Virtually none. Occasionally I meet them, and I`m a bit embarrassed [laughs] because, you know, I can`t believe anyone accepts truth by revelation.`

The efforts of apologists to find genuinely distinguished modern scientists who are religious have an air of desperation, generating the unmistakably hollow sound of bottoms of barrels being scraped. The only website I could find that claimed to list `Nobel Prize-winning Scientific Christians` came up with six, out of a total of several hundred scientific Nobelists. Of these six, it turned out that four were not Nobel Prize-winners at all; and at least one, to my certain knowledge, is a non-believer who attends church for purely social reasons. A more systematic study by Benjamin Beit- Hallahmi `found that among Nobel Prize laureates in the sciences, as well as those in literature, there was a remarkable degree of irreligiosity, as compared to the populations they came from`.52

psychologyprofessor : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

psychologyprofessor

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551 days 23 hours ago...

^continued…

A study in the leading journal Nature by Larson and Witham in 1998 showed that of those American scientists considered eminent enough by their peers to have been elected to the National Academy of Sciences (equivalent to being a Fellow of the Royal Society in Britain) only about 7 per cent believe in a personal God.53 This overwhelming preponderance of atheists is almost the exact opposite of the profile of the American population at large, of whom more than 90 per cent are believers in some sort of supernatural being. The figure for less eminent scientists, not elected to the National Academy, is intermediate. As with the more distinguished sample, religious believers are in a minority, but a less dramatic minority of about 40 per cent. It is completely as I would expect that American scientists are less religious than the American public generally, and that the most distinguished scientists are the least religious of all. What is remarkable is the polar opposition between the religiosity of the American public at large and the atheism of the intellectual elite.54

RICHARD DAWKINS, THE GOD DELUSION

52
Beit-Hallahmi and Argyle (1997).

53
E. J. Larson and L. Witham, `Leading scientists still reject God`, Nature 394, 1998, 313.

54
http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9610/reeves.html gives a particularly interesting analysis of historical trends in American religious opinion by Thomas C. Reeves, Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin, based on Reeves (1996).

*
Steer, R. (2003). Letter to an Influential Atheist. Carlisle: Authentic Lifestyle Press.

Here is a link to Richard’s book:

http://www.esnips.com/doc/d31dd760-c3f0-4318-8dd2-d00fb91799eb/Ric
ha
rd.Dawkins.-.The.God.Delusion.(2006)

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