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LeighCedar : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

LeighCedar

22 votes NegativePositive

730 days ago...

Uh... sorry, but that last line forced me to respond.
Faithful and accurate throughout History?

As he mentioned, we don`t have any of the "original" gospels, nor can we say for sure when they were written, and if the first dozen (scores, hundred) got everything right.
The earliest Gospel could not have been written until well after any Historical Jesus might have existed anyway.

Sorry, not trying to bash religion, but as a history major I just had to point out that last erroneous comment.

KUDZU : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

KUDZU

8 votes NegativePositive

729 days 23 hours ago...

i didn`t agree with the last line myself. because history was written by te winners of wars and power. doesn`t mean its right and the truth.

LeighCedar : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

LeighCedar

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729 days 23 hours ago...

^ Well I think he was saying we have an unbroken chain of manuscripts that all agree with each other ... therefore = truth?

From what I know of manuscripts, they are full of spots where the scribes have written comments, crossed out words for other options, etc.

I did enjoy the notepaper lesson though :)

FlavTheApollo : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

FlavTheApollo

10 votes NegativePositive

729 days 23 hours ago...

Accurately? How about the numerous books written by the apostles that weren`t selected to be part of the New Testament? ae?! how about the Gospel according to Judas and to Joseph etc...
Jesus might have been married, or even gay for that matter - but you cannot blindly believe everything that is written in the bible...

LeighCedar : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

LeighCedar

7 votes NegativePositive

729 days 22 hours ago...

^ Nor do we have any proof that those, or the more popular gospels, were actually written by any apostles. Likely they were named after the fact... like a century or two after the fact.

Flynn_2006 : LVL 41: VP 4.9: said:

Flynn_2006

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729 days 20 hours ago...

I don`t know who wrote it but if it was the jews who wrote it, Jesus would have died in a trilogy instead of the first volume.

klavlav : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

klavlav

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729 days 17 hours ago...

There are widely differing accounts of Jesus` life, even within the bible itself, not to mention the gospels that weren`t selected for inclusion in the "official" church canon.

Too, to the degree that there is any agreement, it is often because that agreement was *imposed*; a party line that, if you deviated from, you could be killed.

No wonder there was such "faithful" reproduction of the manuscripts.

Also, the thousands of copies of the new testament he compares to the scant selection we have from other documents ignores the fact that so many of these other documents were intentionally destroyed in Christian purges. The destruction of the great Pagan library in Alexandria (as well as all the people in it!) by Christian mobs is one of the biggest, saddest, yet by no menas the only example of this.

We simply have no idea what has been lost due to Christian destruction of ancient sources, and as a result of their enforced adherence to the party line.

This we do know, however, despite all the ancient documents that do exist, and despite Christians cherishing and even inventing documents to prop up the figure of Jesus, there is *not one* extra-biblical piece of evidence attesting to the existence of the Jesus of the new testament.

Countless Jewish messianic figures existed, and numerous rebels and rabble rousers were jailed and/or put to death. We have writings that tell of the dramas of scores of two-bit players and wannabes.

But no Jesus of Nazareth, despite the fact that, had he done what he is alleged to have done and been who he was alleged to have been, he would have been "front page" news. Bigger than Bush-Brad-Osama-Obama all rolled into one.

But we got nuthin`.

So next time you see one of those Jesus fishes on the back of a car, just think to yourself ("fish story").

burritosupreme5 : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

burritosupreme5

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729 days 16 hours ago...

ya parchment paper! the paper for cooking ding!

exploder : LVL 46: VP 5: said:

exploder

1 votes NegativePositive

729 days 15 hours ago...

Jesus is a myth. An historical Jesus did not exist.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/

Acharya S has done some good work on the subject. There are holes, it`s not even vuagely perfect, and some of it is rightly contested. But on the whole, it paints a big picture that seems to be well beyond doubt. Think for yourself, she has made some worthy contributions to our understanding of history.

I`m not here to argue the details, or debate the conclusions. There is simply enough solid history that it`s time for people to PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER. In that light, it`s time to recognize the obvious fact that Christianity is NOT based on an historical Jesus. It`s just another mythology, whos time has come to join the rest.

We are, most of us, atheists to most gods like Thor, Horus, Zues, Moloch, Buhdda, Krishna, Jehova, Yahewa, Jesus, etc.

Some of us just go one god further.

mooseman : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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2 votes NegativePositive

729 days 13 hours ago...

^the last three are technically all the same..

but I agree, religion is retarded, imagine how faulty the old testament is! "moses parts the red sea! *ouuuhhh*" from "he found a bog they could cross"
or king David "he slung at Goliath and knocked him dead" from "he used his shotgun and shot him dead"

lolz

stbasdf : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

stbasdf

2 votes NegativePositive

726 days 21 hours ago...

i agree with what ppl are saying. there are many contradictions in the various books of the bible. plus, the christian churches have been editing and throwing out old books as not part of the "correct" cannon in the past, because they were so different from others, or so i saw in some national geographic docs. who says which books are right or wrong? if the bible was holy and made by god then how can man arbitrarily choose which scriptures to be the more correct ones. the fact that the books were contradictory already prove that the parts of the bible are man made, and if a group of ppl can edit something holy then the entire religion could be based on false scripture

johnpaulbland : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

johnpaulbland

-1 votes NegativePositive

726 days 21 hours ago...

If any of you lot actually took the time to read the bible, you would find that it is a book of immense wisdom and common sense, a true lesson of life written from thousands of years of human experience, despite whether you`re afraid God doesn`t exist or not.

Shane665 : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

Shane665

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726 days 21 hours ago...

In the New Testament, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, I Peter, II Peter, I John, II John, III John and Jude were all written or dicated by the men after whom they are named. Luke also wrote the book of Acts. The apostle Paul wrote the book of Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Titus, Philemon and Hebrews. The apostle John recorded the book of Revelation. The reason these book or letters where chosen was, because they were all closest to Jesus during his time on earth, being his apostles.

vgun264 : LVL 9: VP 1.8: said:

vgun264

-1 votes NegativePositive

726 days 20 hours ago...

The bible is one of the greatest works of literature ever created, whether you believe in Christianity or not...I do not have the actual statistic, but I believe it is the most widely owned book ever.

Also, saying that there is not documented evidence outside the bible is like saying "ignoring this piece of accumulated evidence, which comes from several sources , there is no evidence."

And besides, everyone know religion is faith based...by pure definition you dont need evidence to have faith. Whether that is a good thing or not is an entirely different matter all together.

ps: Im not saying the bible is necessarily viable evidence, rather that it shouldn`t be ignored simply because its one of the only articles.

hansvision : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

hansvision

-4 votes NegativePositive

726 days 20 hours ago...

How many of you commenting that scripture is false and has many contradictions have read the bible cover-to-cover before? if not, you`re just repeating arguments based on what other people tell you...i think that requires as much faith as believing in Jesus...

Regarding the other "gospels" that were left out...the reason is plain and simple: they contradict the teachings of Jesus. The bible is meant to provide a simple, coherent message that God wants to reveal to the world.

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