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David Shayler On 9/11

In responce to recent "9/11 Debunked" clips. David Shayler introduces 9/11 Truth Bristol`s ‘Face the Facts’ and explains why 9/11 is of vital importance today.

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NYCJockCub : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

NYCJockCub

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614 days 18 hours ago...

Most of his "evidence" has been debunked.

Come on, people. This is years later, and our understanding of 9/11 is fairly advanced, if you are smart enough to understand engineering. Or logic or politics. If you step back, and think the USA brilliantly executed this war-rationale "plot", how do you explain the incompetent management of the war itself and it`s reputation-scarring reprecussions for those same leaders? Doesn`t make any sense, unless you have a low IQ, or you have a blanket anti-republican or anti-government stance you are sloppily trying to support, or you are attention-mongering.

This is obviously old, or he`s just stupid.

boldfart : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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614 days 18 hours ago...

What a plonker! This man was sacked from MI5 for incompetence and for inventing tales for his fantasy book.

NYCJockCub : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

NYCJockCub

12 votes NegativePositive

614 days 18 hours ago...

I live in the shadows on Ground Zero in lower manhattan, and was working a few blocks away on 9/11.

I saw planes hit, the 7 building fell because there was (and still is, in the reconstructed building) an electrical substation on the first 5 floors (which supplies my apartments electricity) which exploded and brought down . I saw airline seats on the corner of west st/liberty, where i live. I clearly saw the planes hit. Planes are VERY light, so when they hit steel reinforced concrete, they tend to disintegrate (it`s called Force = Mass x Acceleration).

I`m all for free speech, so continue to post 9/11 conspiracy theories. They just seem silly now, given all the rational evidence. If you want to advance blanket anti-republican or anti-gov`t arguments, focus on real issues, such how we arm our enemies, our stance on torture, our conflicting stances in the middle east/israel, corporate cronyism, etc.. These demand our attention.

draser : LVL 31: VP 4: said:

draser

10 votes NegativePositive

614 days 18 hours ago...

The reality is that if 9/11 was an inside job or not it does not make too big a difference at this point. Look at how much Bush has done so far, he was done enough to guarantee death if he ever went before a world court.

Looking at 9/11 as a whole, at the very least it is criminal negligence on the administrations part, weather he knew and let it happen, or is just a fucking retard is debatable.

Let`s put our energy into stopping Bush, and reversing all the negative policies that he has created. There is more evil coming our way, we need to focus on stopping that.

rybear4513 : LVL 14: VP 2.3: said:

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614 days 18 hours ago...

this guy just babbles on about his theories and his interpretation of some evidence...

the other debunking video gives what would happen in each situation that 9/11 conspiracy theorists say had happend and gives physical evidence of why it is wrong

david shayler needs to get some sleep

ok123jump : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

ok123jump

30 votes NegativePositive

614 days 18 hours ago...

Let`s face the facts: Unless there is a COMPLETE and OBJECTIVE investigation into the nature of 9/11, performed by the world`s foremost experts in their fields without ANY intervention by the U.S. government, the truth will always remain buried in supposition and theory. If any ground is to be uncovered, we must focus on what we know as fact that can be justified by physical evidence.

Irrespective of one`s beliefs, the simple fact is that 9/11 was a complex juxtaposition of situations that all culminated in the events that we witnessed. There were many initial conditions that could have lead to the same eventual outcome that was witnessed; however, one thing is STRIKINGLY CLEAR, the general protocols for the investigation into this event were NOT followed.

How is it that Kenneth Starr`s investigation into a blowjob in the Oval Office took 6 months, $6.2 million dollars and assistance of the NSA, FBI, IRS and the CIA (according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office [GAO]), but there has only been one 9/11 Commission Report that did not actually investigate the nature of the events? A FEW FBI reports are sufficient to dismiss that WHOLE portion of this investigation? This is not the operational protocol of a governmental body which spends [hundreds of billions of dollars] annually on developing the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world.

Now, let`s consider one example which is the most striking representation of a complete deviation from protocol: the NORAD War Games.

Even if every other piece of the conspiracy evidence was absolutely fake, why is it that NORAD was unoperational for war games on 9/11? Why did these war games simulate hijacked airliners hitting the two Twin Towers, the Capitol Building and the Pentagon, and occur PRECISELY on 9/11 WHILE the actual hijackings were taking place? This was the first time that NORAD had EVER been offline in it`s ENTIRE 52 year history.

WHY WAS THERE NO INVESTIGATION INTO THESE WAR GAMES?? We can spend $6.2 million on a BLOWJOB but not on investigating the STUNNING SIMILARITIES between NORAD`S FIRST EVER WAR GAMES and the 9/11 attacks??

There is a lack of rational bases for this MONSTROUS deviation from standard protocol in these events.

I don`t care what side of the tracks you are on, if you don`t pay $50,000 in taxes, the government will assign auditors and spend UPWARDS of FOUR TIMES what you owe to investigate every aspect of your tax paying life, confiscate your possessions (I`ve even seen them take family photo albums) and auction off everything that you own.

Now we must ask the question: Does this situation with NORAD fit with the general trend of government protocols?

Collectively, we are focusing on the dirt on the kitchen floor and ignoring the elephant on the living room couch (so to speak).

fryser_d : LVL 37: VP 4.5: said:

fryser_d

14 votes NegativePositive

614 days 16 hours ago...

^That`s the first intelligent respond I had for a long time.

I encourage that we put foward proves in both camps but, the question was not address correctly.

The 911 commission was a governmental fraud, by it`s incompetence or by "conspiracy". Like you well said, no one can really know; without a reopening of the 911 commission.

A real reopening with:
1-And independant commission with a public hearing to address every consern of the population.

2-A full access of the data and achive to the public.

3-The cooperation of the governement for the media, to discuss every aspect of the question.

For a question that serious, play the little game of who`s right or wrong is irrelevant. But conspiracy and high treason againts your country stop to be a funny option.

)v(iddy : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

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614 days 15 hours ago...

chuck norris did it you dumb fucks

Überfuckerwit : LVL 65: VP 5: said:

Überfuckerwit

2 votes NegativePositive

614 days 15 hours ago...

NYCJockCub, look up Steven Jones, who proved through scientific methods that thermite was used (and found) at the WTCs. The reason they cannot handle a war properly is because they are busy exploiting the oil and making all the cash, so they pay very little attention to how well the country is doing. They don`t give a shit. After all Bush and Cheney has done, do you honestly believe that they are not capable of destroying the WTC and blame the "terrorists"???

And about WTC7, a single explosion could have not brought it down. There were numerous fires around the world in buildings older than the WTCs that lasted for DAYS and in the end they still didn`t collapse, hell they weren`t even close!

velocity73R : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

velocity73R

10 votes NegativePositive

614 days 13 hours ago...

^^^NYCJockCub, the reason the war is not going well is because the war is going great. This war, just like Korea, and Vietnam before it were never meant to be won. Companies profit billions through these wars and the arm deals made, many times supplying both sides with weapons. This is about money, if the US wanted to `win`, they would have sent in 10 times the number of troops at the beginning of the war. But they didn`t because there is no money in that. And most of that money doesn`t find its way back to the US, a lot of it ends up in overseas accounts. Don`t buy into the good guy, bad guy scenario, this is not a Western Movie, the people in charge are almost all corupt. And as far as a plane not hitting the building, this is the weakest of the theories, and most people in the truth movement don`t support it. However, FOX News and others have people on their show`s always bringing this up, but not things like the put options on the airlines. Why do you think this is? I`ll tell you it`s because most of these people are disinformants working for the gov`t to make the truth movement look like idiots. Research, before you judge, and stop thinking the US is always the good guy. Trust me, the majority of the time, it is not.

ludde : LVL 7: VP 1.6: said:

ludde

2 votes NegativePositive

614 days 2 hours ago...

Looked him up on Wikipedia. The guy also thinks he the new Messiah. That is all I needed to know.

Orbpael : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

Orbpael

1 votes NegativePositive

614 days ago...

Oh my god. This is definately not the place of debate. First of all asailing on the content of the charicter of the guy in the video is about as much of a bullshit move on the internet as claiming you lived in the shadow of the towers.

Give me a freakin break, this is the damn internet! I could Say i was a russian transvetite hooker millionare from MARS.

Look up the subject, read about it, hell even enact a few scientific exsplanations in that happy brain of yours but for god sakes dont beleave the damned internet thats just fuckin stupid.

NYCJockCub : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

NYCJockCub

-1 votes NegativePositive

613 days 23 hours ago...

911 conspiracy folks - SPEAK YOUR MIND!

It`s only hearing in hearing the ludricrous that fence-sitters will ultimately discount the conspiracist views. This is how free speech works.

NYCJockCub : LVL 26: VP 3.5: said:

NYCJockCub

2 votes NegativePositive

613 days 23 hours ago...

I live next to Ground Zero, and get to hear these kooks all the time.

I`m SICK of hearing people talk about BUILDING 7.

DUDES, there was an electrical substation on the first 5 floors. There STILL IS, in the reconstructed building. It supplies the electricity to my apartment and my office. It WASN`T a SINGLE EXPLOSION that brought it down - it was tanks and tanks of gasoline (it`s a ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION) that gradually caught fire, some exploding, that weakened the bottom of the building and caused a collapse. You can SEE the substation in the new building (the first 5 floors are steel reinforced with no windows - an improvement to prevent the same thing from happeneing again).

Honestly, while I completely support the idea that 911 conspiracists should be free to speak their mind, I am convinced their collective IQ`s MUST be lower than the general population, given the generosity of evidence available to them.

THIS is why logic should be a required high school course.

PaulishH : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

PaulishH

2 votes NegativePositive

613 days 1 hour ago...

<3 NYCJockCub

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