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When Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution nearly 150 years ago, he shattered the dominant belief of his day – that humans were the product of divine creation. Through his observations of nature, Darwin proposed the theory of evolution by natural selection. This caused uproar. After all, if the story of creation could be doubted, so too could the existence of the creator. Ever since its proposal, this cornerstone of biology has sustained wave after wave of attack. Now some scientists fear it is facing the most formidable challenge yet: a controversial new theory called intelligent design.

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x1026_murasame : LVL 17: VP 2.6: said:

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1136 days 7 hours ago...

1. Charles Darwin is NOT the first person to think of the idea of evolution. In fact, he copied someone else's idea (forget who) and elaborated it.

2. Charles Darwin was a Christian and remained so throughout his life. He believed that, if evolution is real, evolution must have been placeed here by a higher power.

2real : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

2real

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1136 days 6 hours ago...

Keep up the great uploads Jonas22 5/5!

smork51 : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

smork51

3 votes NegativePositive

1136 days 1 hour ago...

very good upload indeed... wish i knew the writer of the piano around 18 minutes though

LeighCedar : LVL 36: VP 4.4: said:

LeighCedar

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1136 days 1 hour ago...

z1026,

1.) No one claims Darwin invented the theory of Evolution. He was the one who put together the theory of natural selection, which explains how evolution works.
Another young scientist was also working on the same idea half way around the world at the same time, and they ended up publishing together.
There was no copying.

2.) *Ahem* "it doesn't make any difference whether Darwin believed what he was saying or not. The theory of evolution was not accepted by science because Darwin said it was so. It was accepted by science because it was rigorously tested and found to provide the most consistent explanation of the evidence. Moreover, since Darwin's day, new discoveries in genetics, immunology, and embyrology (just to name a few) have provided independent lines of confirmation for the theory. That is why it is accepted by science, not because Darwin said so."

from my favorite site, talkorigins

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/mar98.html



Also from that site:

"And the God Darwin believed in towards the latter half of his life was at best the Deist God, an absent God who worked through the laws of nature only. Not that this matters - there have been many theist evolutionary biologists, and Darwin is not an authority in this regard, but as a matter of historical accuracy, Darwin believed in neither the Christian God nor the Bible."

PhotonSabreX : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

PhotonSabreX

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1136 days ago...

Microscopic flagella are irreducibly complex? No, that's just the creationists' favorite argument in disguise: argument from personal incredulity.

Here's one of the many offered scenarios that demonstrates how the flagella 'motor' could have evolved:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html

Now the creationist might see this an ask: "well how are we supposed to know that this is true?" to which I would reply "how do YOU know it's irreducibly complex without any scientific evidence?"

razorfane : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

razorfane

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1135 days 22 hours ago...

intelligent design is retarded.

Tath : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

Tath

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1135 days 20 hours ago...

"I thought that, I probably needed to straighten this poor guy out." - Religious Person

"Meeting other people who are skeptical of Darwinian Evolution is wonderful, because, if you think something is wrong... and the whole world thinks it's right, well... maybe you're crazy; but meeting just one other person who thinks the way that you do, and, and sees your reasons, and is willing to talk about this, well... that means that you're not crazy."

Umm... no it doesn't. If anything there are still three possibilities..

1. You are as crazy as a loon. Go tell somebody else why it's your opinion that your flying spaghetti monster 'created' me.

2. You are suffering from an illness known as G.O.D. (Group Over-mind Dementia) and are unfortunately incurable by anyone but yourself.

3. You are right, and a magical man that wants you to eat his flesh and drink his blood, who will send you to a burning hell where you will suffer and burn and die for all eternity if you do not fallow his special rules in life (but still loves you) created us from a lump of mud (or some dust... as the story differs based on who wrote it at the time) and the mud-man's sub-sequential human rib-bone, with which he made the mud/dust-man's boner of a wife.



Of course, this is just my opinion...

jamesb28 : LVL 2: VP 1.1: said:

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1135 days 20 hours ago...

I cant believe christians and muslims still take there books literally, anyone with a brain can tell that the bible and quran are mostly full of metaphors and parables. Not all meant to be taken literally.

But lets think about if they are true books, from God. How would God have taught those ancient people about evolution? They would probly have started worshipping monkeys or something.

MARINE255 : LVL 32: VP 4.1: said:

MARINE255

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1135 days 20 hours ago...

@ razorfane, couldnt you say intelligent design isnt? sounds better to me then intelligent design is gay! or retarded!

The only part of the theory that is hard to prove so far is the big changes in organisms, like the whole monkey to human story, because apparently its a product of billions of years of natural selection, who has time to document a research project of that scale lol

klavlav : LVL 13: VP 2.2: said:

klavlav

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1135 days 19 hours ago...

I would love to believe that the prominence of evangelical/fundamentalist superstition we're seeing now is actually the death throes of a defunct belief system rather than a thriving, sustainable movement.

Some days I believe that more than others.

In any case, lovers of science need to work extra hard to promote science as the rational *and* undeniably spiritual, mystical system that best explains our world. If for no other reason than the fact that our world, the true source of all life as we know it and Mother of us all, needs our cooperation and understanding, not our ignorant allegiance to some distant, dead god of the afterlife.

jagginess : LVL 33: VP 4.2: said:

jagginess

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1135 days 15 hours ago...

Take ID and Creationism and shove it up your Darwininan asses you unscientifically claimed religious monkeybutted derivatives!

Abeliever : LVL 24: VP 3.3: said:

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1135 days 15 hours ago...

I am a Christian. I am not sure about the world being created in an actual 7 days. I was taught evolution at school, as an atheist and thought it made sense.

This Intelligent design makes sense, as it seems to bridge both gaps for me. I look around and I see creatures, animals and amazing environments, and can’t believe it was all by chance. However, the conservative Christians seem far too extreme, the bible (I believe) does sometimes teach in non-literal terms.

prat : LVL 12: VP 2.1: said:

prat

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1135 days 15 hours ago...

intelligent design is retarded.

lionpunisher : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

lionpunisher

7 votes NegativePositive

1135 days 14 hours ago...

i support charles

manofwar : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

manofwar

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1135 days 12 hours ago...

Religion is a tool used for consolation for those unwilling enough to explore themselves as people in the nature around them. One of the truely bad effects of religion is that it teaches people that it is a virute to be satisfied with not understanding. Just A quote that I heard from my own experiences with as Richard Dawkins calls it "consciouness raising"

Can omniscient God, who Knows he future, find the omnipotence to change his future Mind?

Look, a bad effect of religion is that it teaches people that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding. A sorry plight indeed.

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