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The movie studios may have discovered a new and powerful weapon in their war on copyright infringement.

The courts have for the first time found that the electronic trail briefly left in a computer server's RAM, or random access memory, by each visitor to a site is "stored information" and must be turned over as evidence during litigation, according to CNET News.

Jacqueline Chooljian, a federal judge in the Central District of California in Los Angeles, issued the decision while presiding over a court fight between the studios and TorrentSpy, the BitTorrent search engine accused of copyright infringement in a lawsuit filed last year by the film industry. On May 29, Chooljian ordered TorrentSpy to begin logging user activity, including IP addresses, and turn the data over to the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA).

The judge stayed the order on Friday to allow TorrentSpy time to prepare an appeal, which must be filed by Tuesday. She also allowed TorrentSpy to mask the Internet Protocol addresses of the site's users "at least at this juncture."

This may be the first time that anyone has argued that information within RAM is electronically stored information and therefore subject to the rules of evidence, Chooljian said according to court records. Up to now, many Web sites that promised users anonymity, such as TorrentSpy, believed they need only to switch off their servers' logging function to avoid storing user data.The judge stayed the order on Friday to allow TorrentSpy time to prepare an appeal, which must be filed by Tuesday. She also allowed TorrentSpy to mask the Internet Protocol addresses of the site's users "at least at this juncture."

This may be the first time that anyone has argued that information within RAM is electronically stored information and therefore subject to the rules of evidence, Chooljian said according to court records. Up to now, many Web sites that promised users anonymity, such as TorrentSpy, believed they need only to switch off their servers' logging function to avoid storing user data.

Should Chooljian's order stand, the decision could force Web sites to rethink privacy precautions.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation called the judge's decision "troubling" and said it could mean that any Web site operator could be compelled to log user activity anytime they faced a lawsuit. In its privacy policy, TorrentSpy pledges not to collect any personal information about users except when they "specifically and knowingly provide such information."

But user data was stored at TorrentSpy, according to Chooljian. The judge said in court documents that this information survived on TorrentSpy's server RAM for about six hours. RAM is defined by Chooljian as "a chip where volatile internal memory is stored."

The judge agreed with the MPAA that the existence of user data in RAM enabled TorrentSpy to retrieve user information. She also wrote that the data was crucial for getting at the truth in the case, according to records.

"There can be no serious dispute that the Server Log Data in issue is extremely relevant," the judge said in her finding.

Concealed evidence?
In one of the most hotly contested disputes so far in the case, the records show that the MPAA accused TorrentSpy of trying to conceal evidence when the search engine began directing visitors to the servers of an outside vendor.

The MPAA claimed that TorrentSpy did this to avoid being in possession of user information as the search engine anticipated receiving a court order, according to records. TorrentSpy denied the accusations and said that the outside vendor was chosen for "significantly faster processing and delivery."

Among the arguments TorrentSpy made against turning over logs was that the law only required the company to produce documents already in possession. It did not ask for the creation of new records.

But that's exactly what the judge was asking the company to do, TorrentSpy's attorneys asserted in court records. Chooljian disagreed.

"Since the information is already in the RAM, then defendants aren't really being asked to create new information," Chooljian wrote.

She also noted that it was not her goal to set a far-reaching precedent with her decision.

"The court emphasizes that its ruling," Chooljian said in the documents, "should not be read to require litigants in all cases to preserve and produce electronically stored information that is temporarily stored only in RAM."

TorrentSpy's other arguments against tracking users were that the costs were too high and that the action would violate user's privacy and hinder free speech. All were rejected.

In response to TorrentSpy's free-speech argument, the judge cited other cases that had established illegal file sharing "qualifies for minimal First Amendment protection."

Should TorrentSpy lose in appeal, it would likely have seven days to produce data logs, according to the court records. The company's attorney, Ira Rothken, said Friday that it is unlikely TorrentSpy would continue operations in the United States if forced to turn over user data.

Source: CNET

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Bomb Bloke : LVL 9: VP 1.8: said:

Bomb Bloke

41 votes NegativePositive

541 days 18 hours ago...

'"The court emphasizes that its ruling," Chooljian said in the documents, "should not be read to require litigants in all cases to preserve and produce electronically stored information that is temporarily stored only in RAM."'

"Emphasized" or not, this would set a precedent. A computer uses its RAM for "working room", so to speak. Data goes in, data goes out - It's not intended for storing information, it's intended for using it.

This is like saying an ISP should turn over all the data they've transferred for a customer, because it was temporarily stored in their routers while being sent elsewhere.

Or like ordering you to turn over everything that played through your TV set, because it temporarily "stored" all that image data on its screen.

MrNaPaLm32 : LVL 3: VP 1.2: said:

MrNaPaLm32

34 votes NegativePositive

541 days 18 hours ago...

Chooljian obviously Doesn't know jack about computers nor the law itself.

Torrentspy is exercising its right to the first amendment.

Torrent's aren't illegal. They're simple little packets of information telling where and what computers should look for when downloading a file. Why should Torrentspy have to log data and give it to a foreign party when its doing absolutely nothing illegal.

I hope the MPAA just dies. Same with the judge.

Horuku : LVL 35: VP 4.3: said:

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541 days 18 hours ago...

So does this mean if you've ever been to the site and searched for a torrent that you = screwed?

Violetninja420 : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Violetninja420

30 votes NegativePositive

541 days 18 hours ago...

nothing i can say about the mpaa i havent said before and in other articles...

Fuck the bastards, Torrentspy foreva.

blaqsparrow : LVL 15: VP 2.4: said:

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541 days 18 hours ago...

Thats like suing google because somebody used it to find child porn.

ikickurass!!! : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

ikickurass!!!

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541 days 18 hours ago...

yeah and i guess the only person know that would be you cuz ur the one who did it! sicko ^

Apogee : LVL 22: VP 3.1: said:

Apogee

32 votes NegativePositive

541 days 18 hours ago...

Fuck the MPAA

Mr.E : LVL 34: VP 4.2: said:

Mr.E

33 votes NegativePositive

541 days 17 hours ago...

"On May 29, Chooljian ordered TorrentSpy to begin logging user activity, including IP addresses, and turn the data over to the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)."

I have a huge beef with that. What this means is that a private organization is being given the power to track individuals and their activity. Are they the fucking police? This is akin to giving your credit card information to the MPAA for every movie that you purchase instore, which is absolutely preposterous. No good can come from this. The MPAA should stay the fuck out of our daily lives - if Bittorrent is so damned illegal, it should be left to the police - you know, the real cops - and not some blatantly corrupt organization like the MPAA.

I mean, shit, I'm living in Canada and am relatively safe from prosecution for all my dirty deeds, but this is a fucking scary precedent to be setting.

zogh : LVL 20: VP 2.9: said:

zogh

12 votes NegativePositive

541 days 17 hours ago...

I would like to know what kind of technology the judge & the mpaa think can be used to preserve & submit info in RAM. We are talking "volatile memory". That means the data that it holds changes in less than a blink of an eye. As new data comes in, old data is purged, and this is an ongoing cycle many times a second.

These people are the worst of the compu-illiterate.

Keep up the fight guys! We are all behind you!

Dillinger : LVL 42: VP 5: said:

Dillinger

28 votes NegativePositive

541 days 16 hours ago...

Please don't give up hope. The MPAA is a giant piece of shit. I hope that this little attack doesn't scare us into conforming. I beg of you all not to go to the theaters or buy any DVDs, at least while this little shenanigan is going on. Download your little hearts out. Fuck the MPAA. Download that shit and burn it, burn it again, and hand the burned DVD out to people at the fucking theater before they buy that ticket. We are greater than they are, and we have higher morals. Do your little part to punch the MPAA right in the fucking face.

navman01 : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

navman01

-6 votes NegativePositive

541 days 16 hours ago...

Not to seem like I dont care about AMERICANS but would this court ruling have any affect on other countries?... Extridation to America....

MPAA
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MudPokingAnalAssociation

blahblah7 : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

blahblah7

13 votes NegativePositive

541 days 14 hours ago...

Does anybody know if downloaders will get into trouble? I mean, do they just know what you searched for, or what you downloaded? Cause they can't prove you downloaded something just because you searched it. Just wondering if I should be worried about the cops showing up at my house.

Darkmeister : LVL 29: VP 3.8: said:

Darkmeister

22 votes NegativePositive

541 days 14 hours ago...

Yeah there concealing evidence, they also have saddams missing WMD's of 2003 in there basement next to there servers.

MPAA is an organisation run by old fucks that are way passed there time to be in the grave, that want to control everything they feel they can make a buck with.

DVD : LVL 1: VP 1: said:

DVD

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541 days 12 hours ago...

HOW ABOUT I DOWNLOAD THIS BALLS IN THERE ASS.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BURN THE SHIT OUT OF EVERY MOVIES THATS IN THEATER AND GIVE THEM AWAY!!!THEY WANT TO CONTROL US ITS BECAUSE OF US THAT COMPANYS LIKE ,MAXWELL,SONY, EVERY DVD,CD,DVD BURNER MNAKER ,MAKE MILLIONS THEY WANT TO STOP IT START WITH THE COKEHEAD MOVIE PRODUCERS THAT LEAK HALF OF THE SHIT OUT

BigDaddyTiny : LVL 30: VP 3.9: said:

BigDaddyTiny

39 votes NegativePositive

541 days 11 hours ago...

Just restart the servers to clear the RAM. OOPS! Sorry MPAA, windows needed to be restarted after an update. Go sue Microsoft for that.

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